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FormerIceCreamEater t1_j2bwc09 wrote

John McClain basically became John wick by the 4th one

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blackrabbitsrun t1_j2bxk7l wrote

I'm not denying that. His character fell into the tropes that I'm decrying. But that's not what is being talked about, and debated here. We are talking about the first movie and only the first movie. I'm comparing Die Hard 1 (one) 1988 to modern action movies where the character is always some current or former special forces or super trained fighter of some sort, chewing through enemies like a bandsaw through paper with minimal injury.

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