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Chuck710Taylor t1_j2eh2fr wrote

I dislike JC but I won't say Avatar didn't push boundaries of what we see on the big screen.

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agoodyearforbrownies t1_j2eifzj wrote

There was nothing original in the story or narrative theme as I recall, it was remarkable more for the CGI of the time. Or am I misremembering?

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Brushy21 t1_j2elqyy wrote

And? A good movie doesn't have to be original.

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visualingo t1_j2elyfz wrote

I love Avatar. I’ve seen it a thousand times. Watched part 2 just last week. That said, most of the movies and their dialog is cringeworthy. Avatar 2 is literally part 1 set on water.

But they’re fun, and I love the worlds they created.

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HumbleCamel9022 OP t1_j2ei06m wrote

The first one did but that aside what else do these movie accomplished ? Nothing

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TheFezig t1_j2eigeo wrote

Your mistake is thinking that the Avatar movies have anything to do with why people call him a great filmmaker.

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P0J0 t1_j2epod1 wrote

That's probably what I am failing on too. I guess I will watch his earlier stuff.

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TheFezig t1_j2ev363 wrote

Terminator, Aliens, and Terminator 2 are all excellent. The Abyss, True Lies, and Titanic are all great if you like the type of movies they are.

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Ionlypostwhenstoned0 t1_j2eijuf wrote

I don’t even like Avatar but I have to ask…what do you expect them to achieve beyond what they’re made for…entertainment.

Cameron is a legend because of his previous films AND because he’s a high grosser. Bay has never achieved anything on the same level.

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HumbleCamel9022 OP t1_j2ejzgr wrote

>I don’t even like Avatar but I have to ask…what do you expect them to achieve beyond what they’re made for…entertainment

So just like Michael bay's transformers which redditors like to bash

I have no problem with a filmmaker who set out to Gross as much as possible at Box-office but only problem with it is when people think that director is among the greatest of all time because of it

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Ionlypostwhenstoned0 t1_j2emeqt wrote

Well if you’re comparing Transformers to Avatar I’m not going to really argue, I don’t like either. Although with Transformers it’s because it has no discernible story and was a mess, Avatar had a pedestrian story but was very pretty.

But JC gets bashed on here for Avatar, or at least the movie does. JC isn’t a legend because of Avatar though, it’s for Aliens and Terminator 1 and 2 and basically influencing a generation of film makers with movies that were visually and narratively fantastic. Bay hadn’t done that.

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