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ohnourfeelings t1_j2eguz5 wrote

Name a Bay movie even close to Terminator or aliens.

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Warm-Enthusiasm-9534 t1_j2ehkg2 wrote

I don't think there's a Bay movie that even reaches Titanic or True Lies.

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Earlvx129 t1_j2ej1xq wrote

I think Bay film compare more to Piranha II.

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SteffeEric t1_j2ektzl wrote

You could argue The Rock is as good as True Lies.

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DullBicycle7200 t1_j2elv2e wrote

That would be a bad argument.

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SteffeEric t1_j2emrkq wrote

If the JLC dance scene is in the Rock I’d dare to say it would be the superior film.

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Talik1978 t1_j2elku1 wrote

This reads to me like:

'Name a meat that company sells better than prime rib or kobe beef.'

'I don't think his meats even reach new York strip or 3 day old McDonald's hamburgers.'

The other three are great movies? But True Lies was horrible.

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Dottsterisk t1_j2ej3ly wrote

I don’t know if I’d choose any Bay film over Cameron’s best, but The Rock and Armageddon are up there IMO.

Both are more than solid spectacle crowd-pleasers—and both lean more into Cameron-style earnestness than some of the crassness that can sour Bay’s later work.

I’d say Armageddon, especially, could be in the same conversation as some of Cameron’s work.

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SteffeEric t1_j2ekc04 wrote

Armageddon is not that good. The entire premise that they need to train these guys to be astronauts (which is like super difficult) is ridiculous.

Also the trope of someone having to self detonate the thing that will surely kill you was already overdone in the 90s.

It’s fine for what it is but not on the level of those two at all in my opinion.

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improper84 t1_j2el63d wrote

Ben Affleck is amazing on the commentary track for Armageddon.

"'These guys may be astronauts, but they don't know jack about drilling.' What?!? How hard can it be? You point the drill at the ground and turn it on."

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SteffeEric t1_j2em8cl wrote

I imagine the extensive training you need to drill for oil is only a step or 57 behind going to space.

Without that Aerosmith song I think Armageddon is very forgettable and I had the VHS and watched it at least 5 times.

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Dottsterisk t1_j2eltxx wrote

The premise is actually in line with how NASA operates. Mission specialists are experts in their field and are given enough astronaut training to make the flight and survive on board with the other astronauts.

And the self-detonation thing is a trope, but let’s not pretend that James Cameron is above simple storytelling or that simple storytelling is bad. That moment doesn’t work because of the surprise thrill of “Oh no! Remote detonation!” but because of the emotional payoff between those three characters: Harry, AJ, and Grace.

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heff1685 t1_j2ei3v5 wrote

The Rock is a perfect movie

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mediarch t1_j2ejkx4 wrote

He directed the original Got Milk? commercial. Easily one of the greatest commercials of all time.

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AsperonThorn t1_j2elvoi wrote

Came here to say to say this.

Aaron Burr got milk is hands down Bay's greatest work.

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HumbleCamel9022 OP t1_j2ehmq2 wrote

Armageddon, pain&gain, the first transformer movie, the Rock...etc

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TomorrowsSong t1_j2ei9m8 wrote

Some of these are fun movies but aren’t that good. Thats the difference.

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That-Soup3492 t1_j2ej623 wrote

Pain and Gain is a good movie, but doesn't come close to Cameron's movies.

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