I was more taken out of the film when they showed the Mona Lisa as being a canvas. The Mona Lisa was painted on wood!

Anyway, Klear was one of several science fictioney elements to the story that didn’t make sense, and likely wasn’t meant to have too much thought put into it. The whole place was a Bond Villain’s lair anyway, why not have a Bond Vilain’s techno-macguffin while you’re at it in addition to the Bond alumnus actors?

You’d have to be a very wealthy idiot to pay a zillion dollars to rent a fake Mona Lisa…

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So why was the black scientists and businesswoman problem with it that it was dangerous and not that it wasn’t economically viable?

I bet this was also completely intentional from Rian Johnson, with the attention to detail he has in these KO movies, he can't have missed that. Just another proof Bron is, as Blanc would put it, SO DUMB! xD

I just saw Elon wearing an Edward Norton suit.

Although the real Elon is more cartoonish.

I think the more obvious interpretation of klear is that it fits in with Miles' character trait of gas lighting his guests. They see something with their own eyes and he tells them it didn't happen that way, causing them to question their own sanity and powers of reasoning, so he is gaslighting them. Similarly, he has a literal gas (hydrogen) lighting / powering his home. On the second rewatch, Rian is telling the audience what he is doing to them the moment they learn about the power source.

When blanc went on that tirade about how bron was just an idiot trying to act like a genius.. I immediately thought of musk lol.

Klear was entirely necessary for the plot to work out. It was the Chekhov's Gun of the entire story.

Reminds me of the billionaires that jumped on plastic made from carbon pulled out of the air.

The line that Bron spat out sounded like some PR shit, what with making it from seawater. But storing hydrogen inside of a crystal isn't that far off. That's one of the main areas of research for metal-organic frameworks (MOFs). MOFs have incredibly high surface areas (+1000 m^(2) / g), and their linkers can be tuned to preferentially attract certain gasses. That being said, this is usually done under incredibly high pressure. Furthermore, MOFs can be very sensitive to shock, causing void collapses and loss of surface area. This could explain the hesitation lionel had about it, but they never get into exact detail in the story about what it is, so take this as just one sci-fi plausible explanation.

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I found it incredibly on point; an idiot billionaire who thinks he's an expert disregards the expertise of leading scientists to rush a dangerous product to market.

I prefer if the painting were real, makes the ending so much more incredible

I always thought hydrogen power had potential, but not as an energy source. More like a replacement for batteries. (E.g. make a shitload of energy using nuclear, use some of that to make hydrogen. Now you have a transportable energy source that burns into water, yay)

TIL. I've seen the Mona Lisa in person and didn't even realize.

I don’t think gotcha-ing him with burning the Mona Lisa really works, it also cheapens the other interpretation of the ending which is that knowing who’s to blame can’t overcome huge power imbalances and sometimes the only way to achieve the barest recognition or catharsis is through violence.

Most current electrolyser are around 70% efficient, so it’s currently viable for smaller things like rocket fuel

The comments Lionel and others made strongly suggested that the crystals are just a transport medium, and that everything powered by Klear would be powered through insufficiently retrofitted natural gas lines.

Could not make it through this movie, filled with self absorbed a-holes, supposedly satirising them, but can only be made by out of touch Hollywood types.

Fair point, but if we stopped being stupid and just went full send on nuclear/wind/solar/hydro/geothermal etc then we could probably call a 25% energy loss a write off, considering we could do away with needing to produce batteries and would essentially have infinite energy. We’re just missing a couple improvements to generation efficiency/transport/storage of hydrogen but it could be pretty cool.

spoiler, something very bad happens to the rich people very quickly, and the movie gets really good after that

This would work with solar as well. Energy production is a constraint but energy storage/transport is just as important in next-gen renewable solutions.

the one thing that took me out of the movie was the idea that the squad knew each other before any of them got big and hung out at the same bar

If you just said scientist, it would have been equally obvious who you were talking about lol

yea didnt rian say that the character was a mishmash of eccentric billionaires? theres a quick shot of edward norton wearing a black turtleneck that is 5000% a steve jobs reference

economics isnt their goal. science man wants the recognition of being a well known scientist, agatha is a politician who wants votes and knows her voters will hate klear

Thanks, but I got that far. Maybe it's the times, but I just could not care a lick for these types. I did like the character switch with the sisters though.

Everyone would say black scientist at home in private. Only people pretending to be PC have a problem with it in public.

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Swing and a miss.

The only thing I hate about the movie is the idea that solidified hydrogen is bad for a green fuel alternative.

I'd have said Leslie Odom Jr and Kathryn Hahn because that's their names. Also, she wasn't a businesswoman. She was a politician.

So your issue was that you disliked the characters you were supposed to dislike? And the fact these dislikable characters were dislikable means the people who made it were out of touch? I just don't really understand the criticism here.

Haha, proves my point. If I’d had said black businesswoman you’d have actually known who I was talking about.

But Kathryn Hahn's character was the one who had issues with it? And also, if you used their names, this conversation wouldn't even be happening.

What's crazy is, a year ago I would never have put Elon in that bucket. And now he's one of the stinkiest slimebugs among them. My guess is he was always that way, especially if you worked for him. But I fell for the marketing. I really should know better.

Kathryn Hahn is the actresses name. Her character had issues with it so did the black business woman