boost_fae_bams t1_iyd76nw wrote
Reply to comment by lizzietnz in The Decline of British Blue Collar Stories On Screen: 25 years since NIL BY MOUTH first hit screens, Gary Oldman’s film has become a relic of a time when working-class stories were major cinematic events. What happened? by Bullingdon1973
I think it's indicative of the state of the Labour party today and their attitude towards the British working class that they expelled Ken Loach from the party for daring to speak out against Starmer's purge.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/28/democracy-keir-starmer-labour-left-ken-loach
Mit3210 t1_iydmt2o wrote
Why didn't he mention that he got kicked out for repeatedly trying to undermine/stop investigations into anti-Semitism within the party?
AlabastorRetard t1_iyds1la wrote
Because the investigation was bullshit and everyone knew it?
Mit3210 t1_iydtuiy wrote
>The Labour Party has been served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission found it responsible for unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination.
Robo_Ross t1_iyegxwq wrote
If you read the article and follow up on the comments they are referring to I don't think the assessment holds water. The claims are:
- political interference in antisemitism complaints
- failure to provide adequate training to those handling antisemitism complaints
- harassment
The first is that they didn't take the claims of anti-semitism seriously in regards to Corbin due to his anti-israel stance. Which... is a valid political stance. Israel is an apartheid state, it is valid to critique it.
The second assumes that the first is an issue. i.e. Corbin was not given adequate material after his statement. That assumes the first issue is indeed an issue.
The third, the "harassment" by Ken Livingston and Pam Brodly were is defense of Corbin's stance. Ken incidence of harassment was the statement: "It’s not anti-Semitic to hate the Jews of Israel". Which, yeah, hard to justify. I understand the thought behind it as the voting block that that imposes the apartheid laws and militarized violence is almost entirely Jewish but it leaves out the Jewish population that fights against those things. That said, to then paint the entire labour party with the brush on anti-semetism is too far and protects zionist and apartheid policies.
sixo8zex t1_iyfb56x wrote
Hey man calling out Israel as an apharteid state is antisemitism. How you are supposed to have any kind of dialog about what the Israelis are doing in the West Bank without it being branded as antisemitism is beyond me. Calling out say China for its human rights abuses doesn’t brand one a sinophobe nor does calling out Qatar for their use of slave labour brand one anti Arab. This seems to be unique to Israel. And given the history of persecution against the Jews and let’s face it there is at least a bit of anti Jewish racism out there, for a politician to say anything about Israel it is political suicide. Why we can separate the actions of a state from the actions of a people in pretty much every other circumstance is beyond me. I agree with your assessment. I’m not mad for Jeremy Corbin or any of the current crop of UK politicians, but I agree his anti Israel stance has merit. We had similar problems in Ireland for like…800 years. And we only got peace when we agreed to basically share the north and treat both sides with dignity and respect. Both catholic and Protestant voices are heard now and we have peace. My mother was left permanently deaf when her office was bombed. Nothing like that has happened in 20 years. Children are being born to parents who have only known peace. And all this because we could talk about it. Until dialog can be had with Israel without the antisemite flag being waved both they and Palestine are doomed to this shit.
haribobosses t1_iydw85c wrote
Here here!
palimpcest t1_iye72ry wrote
Where where‽
haribobosses t1_iyeb79g wrote
Is it hear hear? Gotta admit I’ve never written it out
palimpcest t1_iyee30x wrote
Yeah it's "hear hear" and it's pretty commonly misspelled. I was just being dumb, but at least you know now.
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