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Quiet_Helicopter_577 t1_jefi84r wrote

Reply to comment by bitee1 in My dollar store popcorn has a bible verse on it. by BurritoSanmartino

You must not know anything about Christianity and it actually being taught to you by Christians instead of atheists.

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bitee1 t1_jefiqtw wrote

Christianity is -
vicarious redemption / scapegoating - [John 3:16-17, Romans 3:25] (https://www.esv.org/John+3:16%E2%80%9317;Romans+3:25/)
love is compulsory - [Matthew 22:36-40, Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, Matthew 12:30, Luke 14:26] (https://www.esv.org/Matthew+22:36%E2%80%9340;Romans+13:8%E2%80%9310;Galatians+5:14;Matthew+12:30;Luke+14:26/)
thought crimes - [Matthew 18:9, Matthew 5:28-29 , Mark 9:47] (https://www.esv.org/Matthew+18:9;Matthew+5:28%E2%80%9329;Mark+9:47/)
eternal punishment for finite crimes - [Mark 3:29, Matthew 25:41, Matthew 25:46, 2 Thessalonians 1:9, Jude 1:7] (https://www.esv.org/Mark+3:29;Matthew+25:41;Matthew+25:46;Matthew+25:2;1+Thessalonians+1:9;Jude+7/)
inherited sins for a crime that never happened - [1 Timothy 2:14, Romans 5:12, Romans 5:19, Deuteronomy 23:2, Exodus 20:5] (https://www.esv.org/1+Timothy+2:14;Romans+5:12;Romans+5:19;Deuteronomy+23:2;Exodus+20:5/)
ignorance worship/ credulity is rewarded - [Genesis 2:17, Proverbs 3:5-6, Romans 1:22, Psalm 14:1] (https://www.esv.org/Genesis+2:17;Proverbs+3:5%E2%80%936;Romans+1:22;Psalm+14:1/)
no planning for the future - [Luke 18:22, Luke 12:33, Matthew 19:21, Mark 10:21] (https://www.esv.org/Luke+18:22;Luke+12:33;Matthew+19:21;Mark+10:21;Matthew+6:34/)

None of those things are moral or healthy in a civilized society.

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Quiet_Helicopter_577 t1_jefn6r7 wrote

I see now. You’ve taken these verses, interpreted them with no guidance of the Church, then made assumptions on the whole of Christianity based on those assumptions. Am I correct?

P.S. it is not good to interpret the Bible like this, else you make up your own version of Christianity and ignore the history of Christianity and how the saints and leaders of the Church interpret the Bible. Analogy: it’s like you take a scientific journal and call it false because you make up your own reasons as to why it’s false without consulting experts to ask what particular points are talking about.

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bitee1 t1_jefqid4 wrote

Without a literal fall in the garden there was no original sin and inherited sins that needed forgiven with that pretend sacrifice where nothing of value was lost and Jesus went to a much better place after having a bad weekend.

Those special interpretations you have - "apologetics" to make them say what you want them to say - all require that intellectually dishonest religious Faith that lets people believe any nonsense thing.

The fact that verses require a special interpretation instead of what they actually say shows the complete failure in god's supposed "perfect" and most "important" message.

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Quiet_Helicopter_577 t1_jefvc67 wrote

That’s your interpretation

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bitee1 t1_jefxvei wrote

All religious Faith is intellectual dishonesty made into an elite virtue. It is wish thinking.

The more our beliefs align with reality it allows us to make the best possible decisions here in the real world. Religion and Faith goes directly against that. It lets them believe whatever they wish to be true. It also lets them believe things that conflict with other Faith beliefs. There is no actual method to accept the claims of holy books or think that any gods exist without that Faith. They use that Faith to make up their world view and to "answer" what are supposed to be the most important questions.

People who think there is a god have no objective method to read any holy book just like they have no objective method that can be used to say how all the other religions besides their one favorite religion are wrong.

For people who care about what is true in reality the evidence needs to meet the whole of the claims being made and there are only bad reasons to accept god claims. I care too much that the people who I'm forced to share this planet with hold true in reality beliefs. We do not live in private bubbles, the people who take what are supposedly the most important questions and claim god did it with magic - vote, indoctrinate children and most are in a death cult that make them hate and claim other people not in their cults are sub human.

The god believers can't keep their religions to themselves. They are also more anti-science/ anti-vax during a pandemic.

The religious moderates act as protection for the people who take their not moderate compatible religions seriously and who know their holy books best. Those being more honest to the texts are doing much real-life harm and are trying to take away others legal rights.

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0ld_Wolf t1_jegw2e7 wrote

Grew up in the church, father was a preacher. Ex-evangelical here. I saw the evil for what it was from the inside.

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