My dollar store popcorn has a bible verse on it.Submitted by BurritoSanmartino t3_127oi7o in mildlyinteresting
bitee1 t1_jefgzgn wrote
Reply to comment by ApaudelFish in My dollar store popcorn has a bible verse on it. by BurritoSanmartino
The more our beliefs align with reality it allows us to make the best possible decisions here in the real world. Religion and Faith goes directly against that. It lets them believe whatever they wish to be true. It also lets them believe things that conflict with other Faith beliefs. There is no actual method to accept the claims of holy books or think that any gods exist without that Faith. They use that Faith to make up their world view and to "answer" what are supposed to be the most important questions.
Fairmount_Throwaway t1_jefhtaj wrote
I can’t imagine believing something without actual evidence. Which is faith.
bitee1 t1_jefjfws wrote
And then they are very proud of that blind and unfalsifiable belief. Enough to intertwine it with their ego.
jaffakree83 t1_jegll5d wrote
Christian company: Puts Bible verse on their product that anyone is free to ignore.
Armchair theologian atheist: And I took offense to that.
bitee1 t1_jegnyv0 wrote
All religious Faith is intellectual dishonesty made into an elite virtue. It is wish thinking.
People who think there is a god have no objective method to read any holy book just like they have no objective method that can be used to say how all the other religions besides their one favorite religion are wrong.
For people who care about what is true in reality the evidence needs to meet the whole of the claims being made and there are only bad reasons to accept god claims. I care too much that the people who I'm forced to share this planet with hold true in reality beliefs. We do not live in private bubbles, the people who take what are supposedly the most important questions and claim god did it with magic - vote, indoctrinate children and most are in a death cult that make them hate and claim other people not in their cults are sub human.
The god believers can't keep their religions to themselves. They are also more anti-science/ anti-vax during a pandemic.
The religious moderates act as protection for the people who take their not moderate compatible religions seriously and who know their holy books best. Those being more honest to the texts are doing much real-life harm and are trying to take away others legal rights.
jaffakree83 t1_jegswu3 wrote
>All religious Faith is intellectual dishonesty made into an elite virtue. It is wish thinking.
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Huge generalization not accounting for the diversity of beliefs and valuesi n religious communities
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>People who think there is a god have no objective method to read any holy book just like they have no objective method that can be used to say how all the other religions besides their one favorite religion are wrong.
Not accurate, that's the assumption that everyone believes what they read with no critical thinking skills. Many religious people many religious people rely on historical and literary analysis, theological reasoning, and communal traditions to understand their religious texts.
>For people who care about what is true in reality the evidence needs to meet the whole of the claims being made and there are only bad reasons to accept god claims. I care too much that the people who I'm forced to share this planet with hold true in reality beliefs. We do not live in private bubbles, the people who take what are supposedly the most important questions and claim god did it with magic - vote, indoctrinate children and most are in a death cult that make them hate and claim other people not in their cults are sub human.
Not supported by evidence. There are always extremists that hold these views but many others follows scientific reasoning and tolerance and love for others.
>The god believers can't keep their religions to themselves.
Neither can atheists, but religious people don't normally seek out to insult and attack anyone who shares their faith, even if they disagree with it.
>They are also more anti-science/ anti-vax during a pandemic.
You mean the science that turned out to be dead wrong and the vax that wasn't really a vax?
>The religious moderates act as protection for the people who take their not moderate compatible religions seriously and who know their holy books best. Those being more honest to the texts are doing much real-life harm and are trying to take away others legal rights.
We generally don't care what others do with their lives, just when it starts to hit close to home, like showing porn to children and making them question their sexuality, which is what Christians said would happen 10 years ago.
bitee1 t1_jegtj2f wrote
Christianity is -
vicarious redemption / scapegoating - [John 3:16-17, Romans 3:25]
(https://www.esv.org/John+3:16%E2%80%9317;Romans+3:25/)
love is compulsory - [Matthew 22:36-40, Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, Matthew 12:30, Luke 14:26]
thought crimes - [Matthew 18:9, Matthew 5:28-29 , Mark 9:47]
(https://www.esv.org/Matthew+18:9;Matthew+5:28%E2%80%9329;Mark+9:47/)
eternal punishment for finite crimes - [Mark 3:29, Matthew 25:41, Matthew 25:46, 2 Thessalonians 1:9, Jude 1:7]
(https://www.esv.org/Mark+3:29;Matthew+25:41;Matthew+25:46;Matthew+25:2;1+Thessalonians+1:9;Jude+7/)
inherited sins for a crime that never happened - [1 Timothy 2:14, Romans 5:12, Romans 5:19, Deuteronomy 23:2, Exodus 20:5]
(https://www.esv.org/1+Timothy+2:14;Romans+5:12;Romans+5:19;Deuteronomy+23:2;Exodus+20:5/)
ignorance worship/ credulity is rewarded - [Genesis 2:17, Proverbs 3:5-6, Romans 1:22, Psalm 14:1]
(https://www.esv.org/Genesis+2:17;Proverbs+3:5%E2%80%936;Romans+1:22;Psalm+14:1/)
no planning for the future - [Luke 18:22, Luke 12:33, Matthew 19:21, Mark 10:21]
(https://www.esv.org/Luke+18:22;Luke+12:33;Matthew+19:21;Mark+10:21;Matthew+6:34/)
None of those things are moral or healthy in a civilized society.
It is the religious moderate majority who play a very important role in protecting, enabling and validating the harmful beliefs of the fundamentalists - by this fact they are indirectly harming others. The moderates by choosing to call themselves Muslims, Christians, Jews or Mormons are therefore choosing to group themselves with the people who are being honest to what their holy texts say and those who use their religion for harm. If there is nothing else that you can accept as a harm done by moderates, they do make it harder to criticize religion in public. They also defend their ultimately immoral and fundamental religion and they advocate for the intellectually dishonest use of religious faith.
Things that are or were enabled and validated - by moderate religious believers -
The U.S. supreme court advancing the religious right agenda - abortion / overturning Roe, religious schools supported by taxes, prayer in public schools
Indoctrination, faith healing, churches protecting child rapists, convent child abuse, convent nun abuse, condom use stance in places with HIV epidemics, anti-maskers / anti-vaxxers spreading covid at churches (by not social distancing), science/evolution denial, witch burning - the last pope warned people of witches and you can watch videos online of witch burnings, circumcision, female genital mutilation, overpopulation, quiverful movement, abstinence education, pro-birthers - fake pregnancy crisis centers outright lying and them suing for freedom of speech for rights to lie, personhood bills, televangelism - faith money seeds / prosperity gospel, statements of faith, oppression of women, oppression and hatred of gays, oppression and hatred of atheists, censuring/censorship, "intelligent design" suing for rights to lie in schools, slavery, genocide, forced conversion, exquisite torture, racism, human sacrifice, ethnic cleansing, empathy removal, threats of eternal punishment, religious wars, blood transfusion rejection, systematic child abuse, prayer for sickness instead of medicine or doctors, blue laws, contraceptive stance, rejection of vaccines, young Earthers, flat Earthers, bible literalists, supporting and protection of extremists, faith as a virtue, climate change denial, anti-atheist billboards, Christmas displays on public property, 10 commandments on public property, supposed "wars" on Christianity/christmas, no freedom from religion, churches are tax exempt, blasphemy laws, god on money and in the pledge, atheists are the most hated and least trusted, shunning responsibility, churches land ownership, churches hoarding money and art, court swear ins, lack of separation of church and state, bibles for Africa, anti-gay laws, apologetics, no adoption for gays, religious companies - birth control restrictions, chastity laws, religious companies - public anti-gay stance, religious forgeries, creation museum, shifting the burden of proof, death threats on atheists and critics, marriage vows over spouse abuse, prayer for first world problems, believers clinging on to every single tragedy or natural disaster, Christian rock, country - promoting superstition, mother Theresa (increasing suffering on the poor and stealing from "charity"), forced belief/no exits, not allowing questions, closeted religious gays speaking against gays, pious fraud, holy wars, wilfully spreading disease instead of closing churches during a pandemic, calling atheists "militant", opinion based "facts" and evidence, arrogance, god of the gaps, demanding respect/ that religions not be criticized, fundamentalists, cherry picking, ignorance glorification, idea and book worship, KKK, Westboro Baptist, marital rape, virgin execution rape, hudud (punishments), Sharia, honor killing, acid attacks, death for apostasy, child marriage, 72 perpetual virgins, terrorism, suicide bombing, stoning, beheadings and you can watch videos online of them, burqas(women full coverings), women's restrictions, ashura (flagellation including children), death fatwas(command to kill), jihads(holy war), taqiyya(deception for Islam), 9/11, Karma, castes
Abrahamic holy books support - murder, intolerance, slavery, infanticide, misogyny, genocide, incest, homophobia, xenophobia, torture, human sacrifice, sadomasochism, violence, revenge, bigotry
jaffakree83 t1_jegx5ly wrote
Sounds like you're pissed off because religious people have a right to exist and express themselves.
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>None of those things are moral or healthy in a civilized society.
You're talking about a society that has convinced itself that people mutilating their own bodies and engaging in unrestrained hedonism is a healthy thing. A society that is probably a decade or two, (probably less) from making pedophilia an acceptable practice. A society that has already justified the practice of sex with animals in some western nations.
murder, intolerance, slavery, infanticide, misogyny, genocide, incest, homophobia, xenophobia, torture, human sacrifice, sadomasochism, violence, revenge, bigotry
I'll give you homophobia, which is an incredibly new concept, but Christians follow the new testament. Not sure where you get sadomasochism, torture, human sacrifice and bigotry/xenophobia though. Also incest was pretty strictly forbidden in Leviticus, at least when it came to close family.
Also you're making a sweeping generalization that all religions are responsible for all bad things done by every other religion, which is very intellectually dishonest. That'd be like saying atheism is responsible for every evil thing done by atheists.
And seriously, Christian Rock? That's as bad a the Westboro Baptist church? (which is considered a cult) Were you just filling space?
I'm sorry you blame every bad thing in human history on religious people. Maybe it's time you let go of some of that hatred and try to find some joy in life?
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