Submitted by BoringAccountName78 t3_107vsm6 in massachusetts
I agree that Mass is one of the best states to live, but trying to score points by calling poorer and/or redder states "shitholes" or other pejoratives is a bit churlish.
For the same reason I didn't appreciate Trump calling certain countries "shitholes", I think that we should be better and not degrade people who live in certain states we may not like.
I live in NH and can vouch for this. We are the South of the North.
what’s maine then? our alaska?
The UP of New England.
The Florida of New England
Maine is like Georgia. A single island of blue (one big city) in a sea of red (everywhere else).
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I'm all for poking fun at other states.
But there's a difference between "poking fun" and assuming that everyone in the South is a redneck idiot.
So uh what do you think of Maine?
Mainholes?
Ok. Be better and stop using “Massholes” then.
That’s a respectable name I like being a masshole
It’s a term or endearment
....but.....some of them are shitholes. And they're shitholes by CHOICE, which makes it our right, nay, our DUTY, to comment on the shitholiness. It's punching up when you observe for example that florida is a shithole. Or texas. You show up to the ballot box and keep desantis and abbott on their tin thrones, you choose shitholiness. And other people get to make fun of you for it.
Those two states are bad examples. Better examples are Louisiana and Alabama and Mississippi.
No: your examples are mostly just full of poor uneducated people who are oppressed by crappy schools and infrastructure; Florida and Texas pound their chests about their shitty ideas.
I’ve never heard of Mississippi sending undocumented people on busses out-of-state to the homes of politicians they don’t like nor Louisiana proudly announcing that they wouldn’t be following the CDC’s COVID protocols.
Idk, I guess I don't define a place a shithole just because the people have ideas I disagree with.
Uh, bigotry, discrimination and fascism aren't 'ideas to disagree with'. That's taxing policy, zoning decisions, new roads.
So you agree with those things? Uh, okay buddy.
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What’s fascism again? The merger of corporation and state? How is Massachusetts any less fascist than Texas or Florida?
Per Wikipedia:
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultra-nationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.[2][3]
I'm going to ask you to rank the following states in terms of how far to the right you think they are:
Well now that wikipedia has changed the definition of fascism I’m not sure.
What about the Oxford English Dictionary?
Or will you just shop around until you find one that suits your political preferences?
I don’t know I think calling any state in the US “far right” relative to another is extreme.
No those are great examples. Texas outside the 4 cities (D,H,SA,A) are complete and utter shit holes populated by delusional religious nut jobs who think bucc-ees is a hoot. (Source drove through a bunch of them on the way to and from Celtics Mavs game, I’m also stuck here for work till good knows when)
As someone who spent a few years living in Louisiana, they’re not willfully shitholes. They elected a Democratic governor to fix the mess a Republican governor left behind when he decided to run for president after running the state into a nearly billion dollar defecit. Not to mention, they’re gerrymandered out of control. New Orleans and Baton Rouge, by far the two biggest cities and separated by an hour drive on the highway, are in the same House district.
In my state, it's Springfield,Worcester and Lawrence. Sorry if you live there and don't agree.
A lot of these 'shithole' states are so gerrymandered, it's hard to even say they are a democracy anymore. You can't blame people for not voting when decades of republicans have deliberately closed polling stations in 'democratic' areas, making wait times hours long, required ID at the polls that can be expensive or difficult to obtain, etc. It's not so black and white.
Now THAT is a very legitimate point.
lol it’s funny you call Florida and Texas shit holes when more people are leaving states like California and MASSACHUSETTS. For states like Florida and Texas. Why because the parties in power are doing things to make there state affordable unlike unaffordable Massachusetts.
Feel free to head on down there any time you’d like
That’s the plan early next year!!
One less shit-for-brains here lol Adios!
Pog
Not really.
Why the hell would I move my family and especially my daughter to a place that won’t protect her rights, where there are horrible education options, and where we’d be surrounded by MAGA dumfucks?
Because it’s “cHeAPeR to LiVe?”
Lol. Most folks in Mass would pay far more to live here to he insulated from the absolute shitheels who govern those other states. I sure as hell would.
We aren’t all broke-ass babies who can’t pay our bills. Many of us make plenty of money and that’s why shit is expensive.
I would LOVE it if the 10% of folks who voted for Trump in my town all moved their bum-asses to Plano, Texas or Tampa. Good riddance.
Honestly, there are plenty of people who leave MA because of the cost. Decent people that don’t make much money but are still needed in society nonetheless. We should be building much more housing so that more people can live here comfortably.
Tell me which action the democrats have done that have made mass unaffordable to you.
No
Well said, I'm with you
You may start to feel differently, once you start paying income taxes and find out that so much money collected in our state is used to benefit those states that frustrate us.
What I don't understand is how much nicer NH roads are even though MA collects so much local tax. I drive up 495 from end to end once a week and as soon as I am on 293 in NH it turns to glass.
That’s what I wonder especially given the surplus the state has
It isn't used to fix anything in MA.
Federal taxes go to Washington, D.C. and swoopidoop through the federal smoothifier of government to go pay for stuff in Alabama and Mississippi and other places more red than Massachusetts.
It’s the punishment for being functional.
This state has a crumbling infrastructure and the rift between rich and poor is so big most don’t even talk about it. Go drive past Worcester and tell me those towns are taken care off. Most of the DEMOCRAT state reps and senators out there do nothing to help.
“So big, most don’t even talk about it.” 😂
It seems like the commenter is repeating a litany they’ve been taught.
I have a friend who keeps sheep west of Worcester. She also keeps a working dog, a Great Pyrenees, to guard her farm. She has to put him in a closed place when I come to visit because he is not only protecting from animal predators.
I have nothing but respect for people who live in western Massachusetts. Even where I live, east of Worcester, I’ve seen coyotes, black bear, and bobcat in my small backyard. We have homeless people, too, and people who have serious troubles who need help.
Let’s hope for better times, and to preserve our wild spaces.
Most of the tax money goes to the Massachusetts coast and western Massachusetts is left to rot but few people in power actually care.
Have you ever been to these places? I have, they are shitholes!
Have you been to Athol?
To quote my mom who's from Connecticut: "Connecticut is a fucking shithole"
Yes. I've also been to New Delhi, so I've seen awful poverty and a very dirty city.
And as dirty as I thought New Delhi was, I'd never call their city a shithole.
I completely agree. But New Delhi isn’t in the “states”, and your original post was about degrading people. You’re changing the topic, unless you mean - why do your fellow massholes degrade people from New Delhi?
A smug air of superiority is one of our best cultural traits.
nope. those states are holding us back.
It amazes me how people here put themselves on a pedestal and act like they know more then everyone else. Let’s face the facts taxes in Massachusetts are going up for almost every citizen and overall cost of living is out of control. More people are now leaving the state then are coming here, why because we r failing our citizens. So to act like Massachusetts has so moral superiority is ridiculous. States like Texas and Florida are being flooded with people because they are meeting citizens needs unlike Massachusetts.
least we dont attack gays or ban womens rights and keep voting in fascists.
You have destroyed to true meaning of the word fascist calling Republicans that is a joke. I doubt you even know what it truly means. Also at this point I’ve lived in Massachusetts for almost 25 years and as a Jew I’ve never seen a community act like they have the moral high ground but continue time and time again to turn a blind eye to the states Jewish harassment problem which no one Ik has had this happen in the south state of Florida. This state prides itself on being a welcoming area to all but it’s a false sense of reality. I can no longer live in an area that doesn’t respect civil liberties. You can continue living in the lie which shows me your either ignorant or just don’t care about the state real racist problems.
From their event
From the party who cries about election fraud
THe party that says LGBTQ+ are the groomers and they are the party of FaMiLy VaLuEs
Good ol boys being anti-american
Party of rape
Human rights? What human rights? 1
Let's not forget busing migrants around so they miss their asylum court date and using literal humans as pawns for politics. Oh and stealing covid aid from blue states during a pandemic
Keep pretending the party and those who support them arent destroying this country, guess which states heavily vote them in? Got more links if you need. They will happily take down anyone who isnt a straight white christian
Oh no is someone treading on you?
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I mean.....Ohio. Ya know? They're just asking for it.
As a Masshole now living in Ohio you're not wrong...
As a Masshole whose wife lived in Columbus for 4 years, I'm sorry.
I grew up in Florida and have lived in MA for a decade now. I will never give up my right to call Florida a shithole.
What about identifying and categorizing drivers we don't like by their state registration plates?
Surely, you wouldn't take that away from us....
You could take the plates off and still identify them by dents, salt erosion and lift if its a truck, age if its a Camry, or just a Subaru.
The truth hurts (you) I guess.
Not one bit.
I wholeheartedly agree but fuck Long Island and Florida.
I think every state does this to every other state
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I think there's a difference between cracking some jokes about CT not being part of New England and the entire South being a shithole and everyone there being stupid and racist.
Massachusetts has an average IQ of 104.3.
Let’s see how the southern states compare:
Mississippi – 94.2
Louisiana – 95.3
Alabama – 95.7
Arkansas – 97.5
Tennessee – 97.7
You might not like it, but those states are more than free to vote out all the Republican dipshits who domainte their anti-education/anti-science ethos. Those states don’t want to properly fund education because it would allow folks to see through the bullshit GOP propaganda that is very much anti-working class. And while those states are free to tell religious homeschool parents and wacko “book banning” parents to fuck off, they don’t. Because they encourage that horseshit.
Meanwhile, in Mass we just passed a new wealth tax to put even more money into education.
So it’s not some misplaced lie or bad faith posturing when folks simply point out the massive educational and intelligence disparities between the states. It’s a very real thing.
It’s also why Mass has so many insanely expensive private high schools and colleges.
We are the education capital of the country. No state is even close for the concentration of educational opportunities we have.
That's because Mass has a much higher white population, and IQ tests are proven to be racially/culturally biased. They mean nothing.
Try again racist.
California has only 6% black population is almost all white and Asian, and they have an average state IQ of…wait for it…95.5.
Believe it or not the conservative white folks in Alabama and Texas are dumb as shit.
Idiot. CA is overwhelmingly Hispanic.
Do you feel better now
Would this be white knighting, or a gatekeeping post?
It’s typical tribalism and labeling.
Tribalism makes those people put them-alike above others.
Labeling makes them wash the humanity of other people and mark/group them using some nasty word, e.g. some lefts calling some rights - “nazi” and rights responding with “commies”. Fun fact- in both cases most don’t understand the meaning of the word they use and when questioned why they call those ppl like this quickly get lost.
Nah not gonna happen. Still gonna tell my friends in southern states, they are cousin kissing inbreds. And the south will never rise again.
I agree that it would be better if people saw themselves as fellow people first, and Americans second. Name calling is just tearing down a culture that might be a little different from ours. We won't come together when we are shouting, even in quiet conversation, like we have here on Reddit. I have seen the best minds of my generation degrade themselves by being better than citizens of other states. For example, Vermonters calling outsiders "flatlanders". We need to love each other, and that only happens when we want to be together. Let's try to respect other state's citizens better, try to understand them, and feel free to comingle our culture with theirs.
Except New Hampshire. Let's build a fucking border wall, with one way doors in it that let people go north, not south.
Then how will we buy our tax free TV’s hahaha
Or fireworks
As well as cheaper cigarettes and vape liquid.
Or <gasp> MeNThOL.....
Any red state deserves to be called a shithole
Funny you say that because a lot of these “red state shithole”states are having lots of people moving to them. Care to guess why?
https://www.forbes.com/home-improvement/features/states-move-to-from/
The life expectancy in Mississippi is 5 years less than Mass. If that doesn't make it a shithole, I don't know what does.
or, alternatively: grow tf up and realize it's 99% joking around because not everyone takes everything seriously on the internet.
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I mean, I don't say it randomly. I say it when those states start to be assholes.
there's no shame in calling an asshole an asshole.
It’s terrible, as you can see by this entire thread. People are vicious. Especially on this subreddit. Just read through every comment here. Arrogant and constantly claiming the moral high ground. It’s a homogenous circlejerk if you haven’t noticed, like most of Reddit. Go out and talk to people in real life, not Reddit, and you’ll get different perspectives. I, for one, make a clear distinction between the people that live in an area and the government that runs it. Just because a state government sucks doesn’t mean everyone who lives there is a trump-loving meth addict with an IQ of 95. Just get out there and live, and don’t be afraid to move where you want. Plenty of families are happy living in those states (all southern) that people on this subreddit shit on constantly. I have some family down there. After all, no state is perfect, and there are plenty of things to be unhappy with here. Overall, MA is one of the best by most metrics, sure, but at the end of the day it isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, and we still have our fair share of issues.
Let’s start thinking like a nation and not like a fractured collection of separate entities. The more we demonize each other, the worse it gets. We can talk constructively rather than pointing fingers and proving that we are just as unintelligent and barbaric as our brothers and sisters down south. Good going guys.
It’s just the affect that living in an objectively better state has on people. When I’ve worked for companies that were better than their competition in the same industry, the employees acted exactly like this. Worshipping management’s butthole and walking around with their chins held up against all others who are below them.
Great post.
And like I wrote before, I'm not against playful banter among friends. I love to tease my CT, NH or my southern friends, and I expect the same thing in return.
What I take exception to is the blatant arrogance and churlish insults that go beyond playful banter. Insults that are meant to demean and insult the intelligence of people from certain states.
Most intelligent response I’ve seen in this thread 🥂
Sounds like someone has never traveled to the Midwest
Sounds like you haven't. Would a shithole state have cheese curds?
The one and only
I have.
I've also been to New Delhi and as dirty as that city was, I'd never insult a person's home by calling it a "shithole."
Lol that sounds like shithole state talk, where are you actually from? Lololol jk
It's not that serious, mostly just friendly rivalry stuff.
I think Massachusetts is a shit hole.
I think it is a shit hole because if dumb fucks like original poster who cannot make a statement without adding "Trump" to it. On that note, it is clear that the original poster is a cunt if a human.
Cut the shit with the politics, toolbag.
(I've been here more than 60).
Have visited rural West Virginia and can confirm it is a shithole
Which states did you have in mind specifically?
I myself am from Massachusetts and avoid saying negative things about certain towns for one big reason and that there's always someone from that particular town who will go off on you for stating something that is blatantly true. So I don't.
Ok but have you seen Woonsocket?
Lol
I pride myself from MA NOT trashing other states. I spend the winters down south, they are bred to hate northerners down here.
Ok nerd
I’ve lived in Mass my whole life, outside of a couple year stint in Louisiana, and I can tell you with absolute 100% certainty 2 things:
This state is a shithole and I hate it. I also love it and am glad I live here.
Fuck Connecticut and their dumbass drivers!
Ironic how you called CT drivers dumbasses says the MA guy
Not all, but most. I live on the border Vermont, and if you saw the amount of idiots on the highway with Connecticut plates that are in such a hurry to get to the ski lodges, then, yeah, you would understand. New Yorkers too.
Arrogance is indeed a bad look
I'm not against making jokes about other states - I love to tease my sister in NH or my family and friends in CT.
But some of what goes on in this forum goes beyond teasing and joking and an almost disregard for the people who live in those places.
I love Massachusetts, and I hope to return one day to live, but it's not perfect.
I think you need to get off Reddit for a bit.
You're probably right
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Dude, I think you may be taking this a little too seriously. Poking fun at other states - especially New Hampshire, the Northeast’s equivalent of Florida - is a time-honored tradition.