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EnoughIdeas t1_j11ds1d wrote

Reply to comment by ReporterOther2179 in Real ID vs my MA Driver’s License by Lavallamp

Jury duty.... you kinda have to get into court houses for that or you will have to go to one to deal with not reporting for it.

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ReporterOther2179 t1_j11gybq wrote

I should think that if they summon me that’s my ID. If I show up and am turned away, jury duty excused.

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mini4x t1_j18h6hi wrote

Except that not how it works.

"The Real ID Act prohibits federal agencies from accepting driver licenses and identification cards issued by U.S. states and territories that do not satisfy certain standards, for the purposes of accessing federal government facilities and nuclear power plants and for boarding airline flights"

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PakkyT t1_j1925bl wrote

But there is no law that required US citizens to have a passport or a driver's license or any other government issued ID card/document, so how can they make you serve on a jury if you do not meet the requirements to get into the building which you are legally entitled?

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RevengencerAlf t1_j12hnyj wrote

Except you did report and they didn't let you in. I don't foresee a situation where someone actually gets penalized for skipping jury duty because the lacked an ID that they are not legally required to obtain.

It's possible they try, and it'll be onerous as fuck, but some civil liberties aficionado with the time to burn on litigating it will goad that response and challenge it.

(For the record I think getting it is a good idea and it's not a fight worth fighting).

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mini4x t1_j18h32g wrote

According to the feds you ARE legally obligated to get a Real ID tho, and have been for like 6 years. MA DMV needs to get their shit together and make it mandatory. This started in 2005 they've had almost 20 years. MA was originally supposed to be compliant by 2018.

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PakkyT t1_j18oody wrote

>According to the feds you ARE legally obligated to get a Real ID tho, and have been for like 6 years.

Source? Because pretty sure this is false. If you are not traveling by air and are not crossing a border, there is no legal reason you must have any type of ID (assuming you are not driving either) let alone a "Real ID".

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mini4x t1_j18u9l2 wrote

They've pushed the date back like 6 times, but yes eventually this will be mandatory.

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PakkyT t1_j18yiv7 wrote

For air travel yes a TSA compliant ID is required, but you were responding to someone about Jury duty and they correctly stating "lacked an ID that they are not legally required to obtain" which you then claimed it is a law that everyone has to have a Real ID. This particular stub of this thread had nothing to do with air travel. So either you were confused about what was being discussed or you are confused thinking a Real ID is the law regardless of if you travel by air.

And as far as air travel is concerned, there are other forms of ID you can use besides a Real ID driver's license, so there is not a requirement you have a R.I. License specifically, just that you can produce one of the TSA compliant IDs of which a R.I. License is only one of.

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mini4x t1_j1904ny wrote

It's current law to enter any federal building or airport (or other federally approved ID, witch I believe only counts Passports and Military issues IDs) but they pushed back the requirement date for MA (for like the 6th time) for all state issued IDs to be Real ID, it's now 2025, you won't be able to get anything else after then.

https://www.dhs.gov/real-id seems to say it's mandatory as of May 2025 now, and does say any state issued ID's need to be federally compliant.

TSA Complaint ID FAQ give me a Error 404, very helpful.

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PakkyT t1_j192y25 wrote

Yes you keep repeating the same argument that has nothing to do with this particular stub of the discussion. That being, if you don't have a Federal Government compliant ID as you are legally entitled to not have, can you be made to serve jury duty since you can not enter the building?

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mini4x t1_j194hsb wrote

On the MA Jury website it says the only thing you need to bring is your jury duty summons doesn't mention ID at all.

I assume actual Federal Courthouses may have a requirement for anyone but a juror, I went jury duty at the Federal Court in Woburn and I don't remember if they even asked for ID, I still have the summons it also makes zero mention of an ID requirement.

Sorry the whole 'ID is not universally required' was escaping my pea-brain, but it's hard to function these days without one, and pushing back on getting a Real ID at this point is just dumb. It's literally bring two extra things when you renew.

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PakkyT t1_j196ijg wrote

I agree, not getting the Real ID if you are already going in to get your license seems silly assuming you are eligible for a Real ID, but there is nothing that says you must have one in general.

I don't have a Real ID simply for the the fact that the last time or two I renewed it I was able to do it online and I have a passport. So until I am due to retake my license photo and have to go in I will stick with the standard MA driver's license.

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PakkyT t1_j18oe6s wrote

I wonder if that would be a valid reason to not have to go to jury duty. There is no law that says you must have a Read ID nor a passport, so people can legitimately and legally say they can not serve on a jury because they can not get into the court house.

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