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One-Coast8927 t1_iso0f7g wrote

Reply to comment by dignitytogether in THIS SATURDAY! We're speaking out against abuse at work across the nation to call for change by dignitytogether

And this will give those employers yet another reason. A valid one even.

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dignitytogether OP t1_iso0jb5 wrote

So what’s your solution instead?

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One-Coast8927 t1_iso0pll wrote

I've got nothing, but is definitely not this law. It's better to do nothing that to make something that will worsen things.

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dignitytogether OP t1_iso0se8 wrote

So you’re saying sexual harassment law has that effect then? Do you have data on that?

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One-Coast8927 t1_iso0wdq wrote

What? Since when are we talking about sexual harassment? This things are completely different

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dignitytogether OP t1_iso0z7n wrote

You’re saying a law that protects women will make employers hire fewer women.

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One-Coast8927 t1_iso133w wrote

No. I'm saying that a law that protects people with mental health issues, will cause employers to hire less people that are prone to mental health issues. That's basic logic.

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dignitytogether OP t1_iso162s wrote

Then my statement would also be true.

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One-Coast8927 t1_iso1hre wrote

No. Sexual harassment is a result of a trasable act. Ex. I touch your butt. Mental health is a result of multiplicity of acts, factors, and events. If I say you're ugly, you may or may not get suicidal, that depends on how other aspects of your life influence my statement. Aspects that I don't know of because it's part of your private life.

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dignitytogether OP t1_iso1oq2 wrote

Sexual harassment is also words.

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One-Coast8927 t1_iso2325 wrote

Also sexual harassment is not worsen by out of work factors. While mental health is

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dignitytogether OP t1_iso5ur1 wrote

This bill goes after behaviors, so it shouldn’t matter. But we can agree to disagree.

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One-Coast8927 t1_isoikdt wrote

The matter persist. It's not traceable, due to the multiplicity of factors and events that affects mental health issues. With our current knowledge of social behavior you can't say with exactitude how much does work influence the mental health problem and how much is it influence by factors outside of work. If the workplace is just the last drop, will you appoint all the liability to the workplace or only 1% of the guilt? Let's say I hire a new guy. He had some underlying mental health issues that no one knows about. Then I say something that cause him to go suicidal. A prima facie is my fault, but in reality I was just the very small tiping point. How can you evaluate if I share just 1% or 100% of the fault.

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dignitytogether OP t1_isoisey wrote

That’s not how the bill is designed though. It focuses on employer behavior and holds them accountable for it, regardless of health harm and just like sexual harassment law.

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One-Coast8927 t1_isoj38v wrote

But the behavior is subjective. I may say or do something not cover on the bill at prima facie, that causes mental health issues on some people.

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One-Coast8927 t1_isojb9y wrote

And is not like sexual harrasment at all. So stop comparing it to it.

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dignitytogether OP t1_isojfqk wrote

It is, but I’m not going to continue this conversation is you’re not actually interested in keeping an open mind. Take care.

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One-Coast8927 t1_iso0yte wrote

I love it how you bring in other issues because you can't counter my logical answer.

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