Banea-Vaedr t1_iu0gcvu wrote on October 27, 2022 at 5:13 PM

Reply to comment by thomastodon01027 in Vote No on Question 4 by funferalia

Counterpoint: it has also resulted in RealID

thomastodon01027 t1_iu0kkxy wrote on October 27, 2022 at 5:40 PM

Do you think RealID would not have happened in MA if it hadn't been for this law?

Banea-Vaedr t1_iu0kpys wrote on October 27, 2022 at 5:41 PM

It's a federal response to the degradation of states' ability to ensure the people on IDs are residents/citizens, which is how they used to be distributed.

thomastodon01027 t1_iu0lwmc wrote on October 27, 2022 at 5:49 PM

Ok, but other states were doing this before this. I was aware that I was going to have to get a RealID before I was at all confident that this law would pass.

heklakatla t1_iu0wmt5 wrote on October 27, 2022 at 6:58 PM

You don't need a RealID. A US passport is a legal document to fly domestically or enter federal buildings after the deadline.

Banea-Vaedr t1_iu0m20p wrote on October 27, 2022 at 5:50 PM

CA and NY were giving IDs to illegal aliens, which was noticed by DHS and kicked off the RealID shenanigans

PakkyT t1_iu0r8wj wrote on October 27, 2022 at 6:23 PM

REAL ID was pushed onto states to make them do the job of the US Government and take on the expense of providing Federal Government compliant IDs for the Feds with the threat if they didn't the Feds would withhold funds from states for things like roads and bridges. Massachusetts delayed it for a long time because they rightfully didn't think it should be the state's job to do the federal government's job for them, especially for free.

Banea-Vaedr t1_iu0sgxb wrote on October 27, 2022 at 6:31 PM

Normal IDs were fed compliant until states began issuing them to people who were not eligible under federal law

PakkyT t1_iu12j5w wrote on October 27, 2022 at 7:37 PM

Source for "states began issuing them to people who were not eligible under federal law"? Because I am pretty sure that didn't happen.

The REAL ID thing came out of the federal government and states not having minimum standard for identification right after 9/11 where they felt they needed to protect against fake ID that like most post 9/11 rules had nothing to do with 9/11. Then they forced the states to take on the actual work that really should have been a federal job for their standards. It was a knee jerk reaction to an event when they started looking at all kind of things they decided needed to be better regulated, but in the case of IDs there was not the problem you cites but instead simple a lot of different state IDs with a lot of different things on them that were designed to be used to allow people to drive cars, not as a federal ID.