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Foxcecil t1_itot8fl wrote

Why do so many people these days want the government to control what they can and can't do? Live and let live.

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Agreeable_Sun3754 t1_itp9hta wrote

It's not about controlling people it's about controlling corporations. Tax their shitty products that cause problems to reduce problems. It's like the tobacco industry, the first step is taxing the product so we can see how bad it's infiltration is in our society.

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Foxcecil t1_itpjga9 wrote

Using taxation for anything other than maintaining the minimal effective level of government is simply the government putting their hands on the people's breasts or backside. Any excuse or reasoning for weaponizing taxation in such a way is akin to a physical perpetrator saying to his victim, " You like this. You need this. I'm just trying to help you." America was created to make sure the people didn't have to deal with this BS. Live and let live.

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Agreeable_Sun3754 t1_itqdqh2 wrote

So you'd rather corporations do that?

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Foxcecil t1_itsa25j wrote

Let's look at real world analogies. Would I prefer the CCP of China or Bill Gates/Apple to call the shots. I would certainly prefer making my own decisions, but if I had to choose an evil overlord, it definitely would be a company over a huge government..

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Agreeable_Sun3754 t1_itsd5wz wrote

Ya, those companies are only being so nice because you have a huge government preventing them from doing what they normally do without oversight. Hint company towns and being paid in company script.

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Dobagoh t1_itpwh58 wrote

Nope, America was created so voters could control what taxes they imposed on themselves instead of letting uninterested and disinterested people across an entire ocean make those decisions on their behalf, without their input or advice, contrary to what they were promised hundreds of years ago when the colonies were first formed.

Do better.

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SLEEyawnPY t1_itqfwyi wrote

The difference between user "Foxcecil" and you is they're probably at some level self-aware they'd say anything if there was decent money to be made in saying it, while you seem to actually believe your variety of bullshit.

>Do better.

At least they're predictable.

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Dobagoh t1_itqo32i wrote

Lmao. These are some of the reasons stated in the Declaration of Independence but I believe in my own bullshit, ok bud.

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SLEEyawnPY t1_itqpn2z wrote

>These are some of the reasons stated in the Declaration of Independence

Yes, and God prevents tax-evading slave owners from ever not telling the full truth in written documents.

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SLEEyawnPY t1_itqaxlw wrote

>Why do so many people these days want the government to control what they can and can't do? Live and let live.

Perhaps in part because the fraction of Americans who actually operate by a "live and let live" philosophy in practice is very small.

In particular when a "pedigreed Caucasian" explicitly tells you "I tend to operate by a live and let live-kind of philosophy" you can generally safely translate that to "I am a control-freak lunatic. I will attempt to micro-manage the shit out of your life, every chance I get."

That is to say Reagan said "Trust, but verify" and with respect to dealing with Americans he wasn't wrong.

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Sloth_are_great t1_itqg8v6 wrote

I can’t stand the term Caucasian being used to describe white people of European ancestry. They’re not Caucasian. Just call them white. Sincerely an actual Caucasian person.

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SLEEyawnPY t1_itqhazk wrote

>They’re not Caucasian. Just call them white.

Yes it's anything but a neutral term the way the "pedigreed Caucasians" to whom I'm referring use it. That's why I used it. I've put it in quotes, now..

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Foxcecil t1_itox1qa wrote

If it's largely preventable, then let free people prevent it if they want. If they don't want to prevent it, let them get diabetes. I often wonder why the progressive logic for assisted suicide and abortion is 'let them do what they want to do' but when it comes to giving the government power to tax things like sugary drinks, or force us to drink from paper straws, the same progressive logic is 'let the government make decisions for you'.

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SLEEyawnPY t1_itqsmm3 wrote

Even close to brain-dead people are aware that conservatives tend to love the government making all sorts of decisions, when it's conservatives that have the power to do so.

They only slip on their "live and let live" sheep-disguise when it's someone else who's calling the shots.

> I often wonder why the progressive logic for assisted suicide and abortion

I guess if you were suffering from an excruciatingly painful terminal illness, or dying from a pregnancy or abortion gone wrong you wouldn't have to wonder no more, eh?

Your last thoughts would probably be "Gosh I wish those progressives hadn't stopped me from having the opportunity to use more plastic straws in my life"

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-Horatio_Alger_Jr- t1_itpe2td wrote

So we should have an extra tax on fast food. How about oil, should we tax that more so people dont fry foods. Chips are horrible for your health, we need to tax that more. Don't get me started on candy.

Why don't we just get to the root cause. We should have a flat $20 tax on every pound of sugar. That will make you think twice about enjoying some of those Christmas cookies.

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Dobagoh t1_itpx6ac wrote

Lol, there already is a tax on sugar. You can thank the corn lobby for that. I guess implementing taxes is ok when it’s backed by corporations am I right? But god forbid the people want a tax imposed on themselves.

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-Horatio_Alger_Jr- t1_itqosao wrote

>I guess implementing taxes is ok when it’s backed by corporations am I right?

You guessed wrong.

>But god forbid the people want a tax imposed on themselves.

I have great news. When you fill out your taxes next year, there is a spot where you can voluntary pay more taxes. You are allowed to impose as much tax on yourself as you want.

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EasyTune1196 t1_itoxu33 wrote

Type 1 diabetes isn’t from sugar. There’s also many many other chronic illnesses that are not caused by this so it wouldn’t make a difference

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theopinionexpress t1_itqu5p6 wrote

Dunno why you’re being downvoted so heavily. This is the truth. Those of us that lead a healthy lifestyle pay disproportionally higher amounts into health insurance than we use, compared to some other people with preventable health ailments that are caused by lifestyle choices. It’s the same argument conservatives have against welfare. I go to the doctor less than someone who smokes, eats fast food, doesn’t exercise, doesn’t manage their health, yet I pay the same or maybe more for my insurance premium. If the entire nation was healthier, we’d have more money for other things. But it’s not a direct to your pocket equation, it takes time and more than a few intermediaries and variables for that benefit to be realized. It’s too nuanced to be explained or understood in a soundbyte so it will not gain main stream approval. People just hear higher taxes. I don’t drink that shit so it wouldn’t affect me, just like the higher cigarette prices or the ban on candy flavored vape cartridges didn’t effect me.

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