Submitted by Db3ma t3_11d1ex7 in massachusetts
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charons-voyage t1_ja8p9zx wrote
Yeah and the bill allows $20K of federal to be waived…many ppl still need private loans.
GottaVentAlt t1_ja9ez8j wrote
I just wish the deadline wasn't so set in stone. I don't have much in terms of undergrad loans since I did the community college+work+ applying to a fuckton of scholarships thing. But I did qualify for Pell. It took me 5 years to get my degree and I missed out on some good opportunities but I avoided loans. I started graduate school and had to take a lot of loans, but none of them are eligible for forgiveness.
It sucks because if I had just gone straight to a four year school, I would have started grad school a year ago and those loans would be eligible. Instead I'm seeing my peers who were less careful get forgiveness and I get nothing.
I'm glad people are getting help but it's a bummer playing the rent or groceries game now so I can take out 15k next year instead of 20.
[deleted] t1_ja9lkgk wrote
This law helps the current generation and honestly is going to make it worse for the future generation.
I'm also generally in favor of this forgiveness program but a huge negative associated with it is that not only is nothing being done to address the root issue but the same behavior is reinforced if not encouraged.
chubby464 t1_ja9plz7 wrote
This^ we need to address the why, which is why are the costs so high for education when everywhere else in the world it’s cheaper.
No_Historian718 t1_ja97d89 wrote
Same!!!
Fantastic-Surprise98 t1_ja8qy7z wrote
The mass fools that didn’t borrow could afford to pay cash. As usual people with money save money. They didn’t have to pay high interest rates on student loans. I was one of those people that managed to pay cash for my child. But, my child also lived at home and went nearby to a state college. I’m all for some debt relief. This isn’t a complete wipeout of loans. It’s relief from being screwed.
WanderAndDream t1_ja8vc7v wrote
This take is weirdly pro Wall Street. Young professionals being riddled with debt only helps the banks, having them be able to participate in the economy helps everyone.
Every time you go through a hardship you get mad when others manage to avoid it? That's not a blueprint for a society I'd want to live in.
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WanderAndDream t1_ja9xnmo wrote
I see your point and get it entirely, though I do think you're generalizing an entire generation of people quite unfairly. Plenty of kids are still trying to work their way through college. It's because pell grants and other funding mechanisms were taken away quite intentionally, and student loan financing took over to prey on lower and middle class kids just trying to get some upwards mobility that education got so expensive. When I was financing my education 20 years ago - and doing work study, and working hard physical labor in the summers to pay for the bills, my private university cost ~$35k a year. It was crushing. Now it's twice that because for two decades we've not made lower and middle class education a priority. This is retroactively righting the wrong, anf I support it.
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WanderAndDream t1_jaa3u3q wrote
I think that's a completely reasonable position; obviously there's context there because changes to the tax code are legislative whereas this is executive action. But "hey let's try something less heavy handed please" makes total sense to me.
For me, I guess I don't want the perfect to be the enemy of the good, and this seems like it could positively affect millions of middle/lower class citizens and stimulate their local economies.
Son_of_Blorko t1_ja8fkde wrote
I got a free ride in the 90s thanks to a Pell grant, and I hope others get their loans forgiven because that shit has become predatory as fuck in the past few decades! OP, rethink your attitude.
warlocc_ t1_ja8gh16 wrote
The problem I think (I hope) most people have with the whole thing is that it doesn't do much to solve the predatory behaviors of the schools. It just makes certain people that did pay theirs, or that didn't go at all, feel like they screwed up by doing the "right" thing.
SamuraiCook t1_ja8l16a wrote
Yeah, it's a small economic stimulus that is somehow unconstitutional.
frankybling t1_ja8r4mi wrote
I’m with you on the first sentence. I don’t feel the way you stated in the second but I do understand the sentiment behind it.
twistedredd t1_ja8witp wrote
Student loans became preditory when the government took them over during Obama's time. After that the government sublet the loans out to a multitude of private companies. It was so bad that you didn't know who had your loan. Couldn't find it.
If you read nothing else read this:
The us government has written into it's budget the fines and fees from these student loans for 20 years. That means the government leans heavily on people just starting their lives and trying to make their lives better. It's written in the budget. They count on failure ie fines and fees. They made it difficult for people to pay. It's called predatory lending. And idk y this isn't WIDELY known or understood about student loans or the cost of education.
In reality and "doing the math", even the best education, in a good building, with good books and well educated well paid teachers would never cost 70k a year per student. It's an inflated price and there is no way to account for that expenditure. Where does it go?
And still every year the government say they can't pay their bills. and every year college costs increase.
This is 100% on the US government. They could set limits for the cost of education and raise standards but they don't. Why?
ProdigiousNewt07 t1_ja95zef wrote
> They could set limits for the cost of education and raise standards but they don't. Why?
Because then there'd be fewer functionally illiterate useful idiots like OP that willingly work against working class interests and foolishly advocate for self-destructive conservative policies that protect entrenched power and the status quo.
UsernameTaken93456 t1_ja9d75w wrote
So much of this is incorrect
>the government took them over during Obama's time.
The government did not take over student loans during Obama's presidency. From the 1990s on, there were two types of federal loans with the exact same amounts and interest rates. Direct loans or FFEL loans. They consolidated all federal loans into the direct loan process.
>well educated well paid teachers would never cost 70k a year
Ok, and you can't borrow $70k per year in federal loans, at least not as an undergrad. Undergrads can borrow a few thousand dollars a year in federal loans.
>could set limits for the cost of education
How? They can't even set limits on the price of insulin. How are they going to get 3000+ entities to agree on a price?
Look, student loans are a massive problem. I personally think the answer is to stop requiring a college education for every single job, to make sure everyone gets a living wage for full days work, and for the feds to stop giving any funds to private schools and colleges, but that's a mich bigger problem
CertifiedBlackGuy t1_jaalaey wrote
>re: inept government
Gee, I wonder why the government can't get stuff done.
There are solutions to these problems, but folks keep electing people that shoot down any type of legislation that would actually help the middle class.
It's not incompetence, it's malice.
Conscious_Home_4253 t1_ja8zylw wrote
And all the politicians, sports figures, actors, and millionaires who received large amounts of forgivable PPP money during COVID- those are just fine?
If they forgave all those loans for millionaires, I would think forgiving $10-20k in student loans for the working class, would be just fine.
I paid my students loans off and I hope others get theirs forgiven.
Edit- spelling.
Aptorian_Dinner t1_ja9imo4 wrote
OP roots for the Yankees.
Cabinet_Juice t1_ja9jx94 wrote
OP is also an election denier
third0burns t1_ja9mt1p wrote
I paid off my loans and I'm hoping this forgiveness plan happens. I won't feel like a fool at all. I was fortunate, others aren't. The only ones who would feel like fools are small minded, selfish people who can't see beyond their own resentment.
Ok-Lengthiness446 t1_ja8lmvp wrote
I was a ward of the state, emancipated minor and 17 years old when I signed my name to student loans. I got a partial ride on merit, and as a legal orphan, it was a miracle I even got to go to college.
Do you think I should have been required, or allowed, to take on $50k of debt in order to educate myself? Without college, I would have been an ever higher risk youth. I was accepted to Ivy League schools too, but ended up at state school after speaking with Yale financial aid and learning that $30k/year was inaccessible for me.
Not a worry though, I am on disability for PTSD now and was approved for TPD (Total and Permanent Disability) 100% discharge of loans via SSDI and Dept. of Ed — so I now owe nothing, but the flip side is I can’t work for the next three years.
It’s almost like accessibility to educational opportunities for youth would create a better trajectory than ending up on disability 20 years later.
Oh, and my mom was a cop, part of why I refused foster care = ACAB.
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debauchedsloth t1_ja9lq3n wrote
I'm paid off and I want these loans forgiven and the problem fixed long term. We cannot have an entire generation (or generations) unable to fully participate in our economy due to student debt. That hurts all of us, and it is exactly where we are.
Besides, what kind of FOMO grinch asshole fixates on something decent happening to someone else?
KateLady t1_ja9y1jj wrote
I just finished paying off my loans after 18 years. No one should have to deal with that bullshit. So I don’t need your congratulations or your lame “toast”. Wake up already. People should be able to get an education without being in debt for the rest of their lives.
sihtydaernacuoytihsy t1_ja9w0qg wrote
Gotta give us a little more. Tell us generally about your education and student loan history. Why is this important to you, OP?
ladybug1259 t1_jaaldsy wrote
There is a huge economic impact that's not being accounted for here. I could have paid for 2 cars in cash with the amount I've spent repaying my student loans in the last 3 years. I definitely thought I would have started a family by now but it's ridiculously hard to figure out how to pay for daycare and $850+ per month in student loans* plus car payments and a mortgage. Other countries have figured out how to pay for education without requiring people to mortgage the rest of their lives for it.
*for the first 4 years after I graduated my husband and my combined student loan payments were about $1500/month.
Academic_Guava_4190 t1_jaaosv8 wrote
I paid off my school loans very early on for most people. I also had a lot more grants than loans. It’s easy to say students should just not accept the loans but even the most affordable education is out of reach for a lot of people. That should not mean they are just SOL. As long as corporations require a college degree for jobs that were once the domain of high school graduates and with the advent of more self-service and AI, jobs outside of the trades - which certainly does need more folks to join but aren’t for everyone - for anyone without at least a 4 year degree are going to become less and less available.
Seeker2211 t1_jadah0a wrote
I paid mine off, thanks...
irondukegm t1_ja98rkx wrote
There is a much better way, let student loans be dischargeable in bankruptcy and have claw backs on the colleges that got them into debt in the first place.
Loan forgiveness w/o structural fixes is a complete waste......and a slap in the face to people who really struggled to pay off their debts. My wife and I paid off over 170k of student loan debt while raising kids and it was horrible. We have a few more payments left, but we are mid-40s parents who are still renting b/c student loans made it nearly impossible to accumulate wealth.
Most of this debt is bad debt and needs to be wiped out, but it should be through bankruptcy and the colleges that saddled people w/ 100k in debt for economically non-viable degrees should have to feel some pain
debauchedsloth t1_ja9m1wv wrote
>There is a much better way, let student loans be dischargeable in bankruptcy and have claw backs on the colleges that got them into debt in the first place.
We should absolutely do this..
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March_Latter t1_ja917t8 wrote
What law as its written? I think when Democrats make statements like this they should do so in front of the Supreme court and have their position ridiculed.
Brighteyed77 t1_ja9c0fl wrote
Biden used the HEROES act as the basis for student loan forgiveness. Student loan debt cancellation is being challenged in court, because republicans think that it is governmental overreach to use that law to support the cancellation of loans. That’s the law she is talking about.
You are a special kind of stupid and this is why we can’t have normal discussions with republicans. You have no knowledge of the basic facts of what’s going on. Yet you act like you know everything.
March_Latter t1_ja9eow3 wrote
Its an extreme overreach. You can't claim Covid and do whatever you want, thats not what the Heroes act intended and clearly overreaches its intent and possible uses. Its not a law, its bullshitting the American public in hopes they will let it go. Sorry but no you can not do that. If a Republican had been in power and decided to completely change the tax code favoring middle class Americans you would be screaming about it.
Brighteyed77 t1_ja9ksdv wrote
Says the guy who didn’t even know what law were talking about until 20 minutes ago. Get fucked idiot.
evantime t1_ja8eyou wrote
I paid off my student loans, now I’m hoping others get their loans forgiven. I’d like things to be easier for the future generation not harder.