Submitted by imaluckyduckie t3_zg6uwb in jerseycity
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AryehCW t1_izfyuq4 wrote
This sounds more like shoplifting than a smash and grab.
Positive_Debate7048 t1_izfyxmv wrote
The wages of the staff are irrelevant. Stores can be held liable if their employees detain or injure thieves.
Unspec7 t1_izk2blx wrote
Depends on the instructions the company gives the employees. Employers are strictly liable (under respondeat superior doctrine) for any torts committed by employees so long as employees are operating within the scope of their employment - if their job specifically says "do not confront thieves", and they still do, they're not operating within the scope of their employment anymore and are personally liable.
Positive_Debate7048 t1_izl1rza wrote
If you’re in uniform on the clock, and on the premises, a court is basically always gonna find that the employee was acting within scope of employment.
Unspec7 t1_izl2v4k wrote
If an employer has specifically instructed its employees to not confront a thief, confronting a thief would most likely no longer be serving the purposes of your employer, regardless of how much goodwill you're trying to show the big man. As such, it would be outside their scope of employment, regardless of uniform or premise.
This is speaking specifically of intentional torts, since injuring a thief likely involved battery.
Positive_Debate7048 t1_izlnexz wrote
I don’t care to debate this but courts have disagreed in the past. There’s plenty of case law on this.
Unspec7 t1_izlntse wrote
Would you mind citing some cases? You're basically saying that case law is stating a bright line rule and contradicting a base principle of torts, which is that scope of employment has no bright line rules. I'd be interested to see the cases and their opinion.
halocene_epic t1_izfnqvc wrote
Do you think overpaid staff would have risked their physical safety?
QuickAnything t1_izfos8j wrote
No. Do you?
halocene_epic t1_izfw9pg wrote
No, just trying understand the relevancy of pay rate to one’s willingness to risk their life to stop robberies like this. Seems irrelevant.
[deleted] t1_izg2zt7 wrote
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QuickAnything t1_izgi71x wrote
Right. That was my point. It’s not their job and it bugs me when there’s an implication that “they just walked out,” i.e., no one tried to stop them.
halocene_epic t1_izhs93b wrote
Oh ok, I thought your point was that the staff isn’t paid enough to intervene.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_izfv0t4 wrote
Considering they could be fired if they did, no, I don't think any smart person would
shortyman920 t1_izfthyo wrote
Is that even worth anything? Won’t Those phones get locked by Apple?
viniciusah t1_izg034j wrote
> Won’t Those phones will get locked by Apple?
Probably. Thieves will try to sell them in Craigslist or FB Marketplace regardless; and ask for payment methods without buyer protection (Venmo, Zelle, for example) at very low prices to attract people who cannot buy one othewise.
When buyer receives (if they receive) the phone, they'll realize they don't work, and they can't get their money back.
PSA: beware of cheap iPhones in those sites in the next weeks. Especially without invoices, accessories, listed as open-box and at very low prices. Preferably use a payment method with buyer protection (Paypal Goods and Services is one, PayPal Friends & Family isn't). Ask for proof the device works. Ask for an invoice or proof of purchase.
If the above is not possible, assess the risk and make your decision accordingly
shortyman920 t1_izg0pd0 wrote
Good point lol
viniciusah t1_izg2nye wrote
Initially, I thought a bunch of rules in buy/sell subreddits were annoying. Only after I started using them more I realized how important timestamps and the points I wrote are.
They saved me a lot of headache.
At a minimum, they show good faith by the seller.
Vegetable_River t1_izgj2o9 wrote
I'm sure people will snatch them up while looking for bargains around Xmas. Good advice here.
naturalorange t1_izgrbv1 wrote
They get sold for parts
wrlds_end t1_izjrphm wrote
No.
Acceptable-Candy4677 t1_izj1tzq wrote
No, they won’t be. They are unlocked.
Vertigo963 t1_izgbzfi wrote
Watch out guys - there may be police at Best Buy now, so make sure you wait a while to shoplift!
Just keeping my community safe.
ohnjaynb t1_izggziw wrote
But they've been diverted from train duty so now you can be a rebel and ride between Tonnelle and West Side Ave back and forth forever.
Excellent_Guava3114 t1_izghpvr wrote
JCPD and transit are completely different entities. lol. So still beware if you wanna ride those trains because they are always watching you 🤣
ohnjaynb t1_izghxla wrote
Always? Do they know when I'm sleeping? And when I'm awake? When I've been bad or good, for goodness sake?
Excellent_Guava3114 t1_izgi66m wrote
I personally like to find out their names so we can enjoy the rule breaking together!
ohnjaynb t1_izgje73 wrote
I just wanna get on their naughty list.
PathologicalLiar_007 t1_izi37tf wrote
Knowing the JCPD it wouldn’t matter. They’re the most useless police force known to man….and I watched all police academy movies
JoeJoeJoeJoeJoeJoe t1_izgz0w8 wrote
So they walked away with one mid-spec Mac Pro then?
imaluckyduckie OP t1_izfctn3 wrote
Obligatory: This is why we can't have nice things
Echos_myron123 t1_izgry1v wrote
You can have nice things if you steal them.
SyndicalistCPA t1_izfvl6f wrote
We can still have nice things because we outsource manufacturing to countries that pay starvation wages!
Jahooodie t1_izfjo90 wrote
You mean an apple store? How much Apple products could be in an Apple store anyway, $20?
[deleted] t1_izfjjt8 wrote
Paywall .... FU nj.com
objectimpermanence t1_izfvqmi wrote
Journalists don’t work for free.
kekelakes t1_izgeedd wrote
I work in digital media and have freelanced with Nj.com… that’s not how it works. Paywall fees aren’t paying for writers
objectimpermanence t1_izgy9ji wrote
The money that newspapers need to pay their staff doesn’t appear out of thin air.
Local papers are closing left and right around the country largely due to dwindling ad and subscription revenues.
If paywalls help newspapers stay in business, then it follows that they indirectly help keep people employed at newspapers, no?
pixel_of_moral_decay t1_izjff5c wrote
It’s really the only one left in the area now that’s not just a website operated by politicians PAC’s.
kekelakes t1_izhdlmf wrote
I can see your point but The money that supports a publisher and staff largely comes from advertisers (as it has from the beginning of media) and brand partnerships (sponsored posts)….
Paywalls are something media outlets are doing because they all want to do the same thing. If they don’t, think think they are leaving money on the table but unless the content is very very very exclusive, readers just turn elsewhere which results in less clicks which leads to less advertisers in the long run.
All in all supporting local news is always a good thing I can see both sides but as far as local news goes, it probably does more harm than good especially when people want to read about a crime or emergency like in this case. I don’t think the wall appeared until the end in this case though
objectimpermanence t1_izhg61k wrote
I see what you mean. I just think it’s weird that so many people expect the news to be free while also using ad-blockers, but then they also presumably expect the same level of quality and breadth of coverage that we had back when everyone used to pay for newspapers (in addition to paying for things like classified ads, etc).
The money has to come from somewhere. It’s not like newspapers of today are wildly profitable to begin with, so I can understand why they think they need to have paywalls to meet their profitability targets.
Would be interesting to see if there are any serious studies on whether paywalls are a net negative in the long run.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_izfuq0m wrote
web archive is your friend https://archive.ph/j86pL
Yolo_420_69 t1_izh0i5d wrote
The pay wall comes at the end of the article. There's nothing after
rubensinclair t1_izfuh2o wrote
Did something also happen over at the shopping area at 99 Ranch yesterday afternoon? There were literally 14 cop cars with cops all slowly walking back to their cars. I figured someone stole some shit from one of the stores there.
Especiallymoist t1_izfv1ak wrote
2-for-1 peking duck sale
Echos_myron123 t1_izgs3t7 wrote
The poor Best Buy. I hope it's ok.
faktastic t1_izgjk7s wrote
to be fair, that’s only 14 iphones at todays prices….
Yolo_420_69 t1_izh0lhb wrote
That's what I was thinking. I was like. That's like 20 phones. Honestly not a huge haul
hayflicklimit t1_izhcs4b wrote
5 or 6 high-end MacBooks
MailenJokerbell t1_izh5nah wrote
So like, 3-5 laptops?
ZootheGod t1_izgrbbn wrote
Holland tunnel is right there, them NYC thugs knows the perfect getaway
Acceptable-Candy4677 t1_izj277p wrote
Where was the Apple Guy during all of this
HobokenJ t1_izjjuxp wrote
I wonder how they did this...? All the Apple Stuff (at least as far as I've seen) is locked up behind display cases or cages. You can't just stuff a bunch of stuff into tote bags (ok, obviously the thieves in this case could... I just wonder how they did this without help).
iamstrugglin t1_izgt4te wrote
I'm sure best buy is distraught.
dorkishj t1_j07veoe wrote
Wow
Starlord_32 t1_j15swe6 wrote
Guess they're not worried about getting back any of the items, could of at least gave a description of people who stole the items.
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SteveIsPosting t1_izhsm17 wrote
Good for them
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_izfuoor wrote
Couldn't give a shit. It's insured and no one was hurt
FloatingWeight t1_izfv5la wrote
Dumb take, all costs get passed to consumers eventually. Or they close. Or security gets super annoying for regular customers
pixel_of_moral_decay t1_izfwrv8 wrote
Yup. Insurance for retail has been through the roof. Those costs are part of the consumer inflation we’re seeing.
Makes online only businesses look more and more attractive.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_izfzfhc wrote
This is the dumbest bullshit I've heard on this topic in possibly ever. Current prices are rising nearly solely on corporate greed and insurance companies are no different.
If it weren't, then their profits wouldn't be rising. Companies are taking advantage of any and every possible excuse to bilk people and anyone parroting their bullshit is a corporate bootlicker.
Yolo_420_69 t1_izh0owi wrote
The ultimate cost is Wawa in Philadelphia. Straight up leaving the city due to he crime
No_End_5268 t1_izfwkre wrote
Based take floatingweight.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_izfyr4q wrote
Go talk to me about the 17 million dollars in wage theft and employee misclassification lawsuits that best buy's lost and fuck off about 20 grand in product theft.
Ask-Downtown t1_izg0qpg wrote
Theft is wrong. Is it that hard to understand?
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_izhjk42 wrote
That's an infantile thought process you've got. Steal from gigantic national retail outlets, they 100% deserve it
halocene_epic t1_izhrwk5 wrote
Do you have the same sentiment for local retailers?
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_izhxx8t wrote
Can you read? Read what I typed again. It's specifically worded that way for a reason.
halocene_epic t1_izis2qg wrote
Yea I can see all of those downvotes.
Positive_Debate7048 t1_izfz0xs wrote
Stores are not insured against shoplifting. This is such a common misconception that people keep parroting.
Ask-Downtown t1_izg0spw wrote
Even if they were. It shouldn't matter
Positive_Debate7048 t1_izg1bd7 wrote
It does. Shoplifting losses get passed on to regular consumers in the form of price increases. If it’s too prevalent stores just close which means people lose their jobs and the city loses sales tax revenue.
Ask-Downtown t1_izhce1x wrote
That's exactly what I meant
Lowkeylowthreadcount t1_izgmwok wrote
And we’re supposed to feel bad for a mega corporation for losing 20k while no employees got hurt ? I understand if a mom and pop shop gets robbed but this is something that literally is a blip in a mega verse of money
WasteOfNeurons t1_izgponi wrote
The fact that this is happening in our community is a problem. Is this behavior okay to you?
Lowkeylowthreadcount t1_izjgeg3 wrote
I think you’re just butt hurt that pretty boy Fulop makes it look like the city is cleaned up when in reality it’s not. This kind of stuff happens.
WasteOfNeurons t1_izjk9zp wrote
Butt hurt is not the phrase I would use. I’m from here. I just moved back after 7 years and it’s incredibly disappointing to see little progress in addressing the problems of the area. What makes me “butt hurt” is that people see problems and don’t care/don’t do anything to solve them.
Positive_Debate7048 t1_izgubbj wrote
It hurts us as a community more than it hurts the megacorperation
geoemrick t1_izhw144 wrote
Idiotic take. Don’t take what’s not yours, plain and simple. Someone suffers.
A lowly floor employee may suffer for goods going out the door on their shift. The store might close and now you don’t have a store in your neighborhood.
This “victimless theft” bullshit needs to stop. Be a decent human being and be against baseless stealing.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_izhxuv0 wrote
>A lowly floor employee may suffer for goods going out the door on their shift. The store might close and now you don’t have a store in your neighborhood.
Lmfao you clueless dunce. This is best buy. Employees are told not to stop theft because they could get hurt and fired. Best buy isn't closing its location because someone popped some ipads.
geoemrick t1_izhzarh wrote
Lol you clueless dunce. Stores are closing locations all over the place due to this shit. You are in Support of regular Joe’s losing their jobs, just FYI.
It’s not this “we’re gonna stick it to the CEO’s” thing you think it is. The CEO’s will just close stores and continue paying themselves $50 mil per year. It’s the regular workers and community members who suffer from theft.
https://www.businessinsider.com/target-losing-millions-to-organized-retail-theft-2022-11?amp
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_izi0sz5 wrote
One Nike store closing is not best buy closing a location due to theft, you fucking idiot. And they could literally afford to keep it up indefinitely if they felt like it. Nike annual revenue for 2022 was $46.71B, a 4.88% increase from 2021. And the other company you brought up, Target, their annual revenue for 2022 was $106.005B, a 13.3% increase from 2021.
Steal from them. If they're closing a store and putting people out of work, steal from them more.
And the dumbfuck press calls about "organized retail theft" are the stupidest shit ever, kind of like you. It's dudes shoplifting, not the fucking mob. Unclutch your pearls and rise off your fainting couch, you dumb puss.
geoemrick t1_izi4o93 wrote
Why don’t you go run a store that is losing money and tell me how long it stays open you incredibly amazingly talented savant human being who can keep stores that are losing money open.
And no, corporate does not bail out an indivisible store, corporate profits don’t save a store losing money. Simple as that.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_izi69mj wrote
>indivisible store
You even edited it, too. Try again.
[deleted] t1_izi7hi3 wrote
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geoemrick t1_izl6187 wrote
*unprofitable
You like advocating brutalizing people, stealing from them, being a general POS by taking what's not yours. You have no decency and treat other humans like garbage while claiming your views are because you are against abuse.
You advocate for abuse. Stealing is wrong; it's not your shit. If you disagree with that company don't patronize them. Vote for a politicians that will tax corps more. Be an adult.
Don't deal with the world the same way a 5 year old would. Grow up.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_izlq5lu wrote
Who the fuck said anything about brutalizing people, you fucking shitstain? I specifically said in my original post on this, "no one got hurt". Go fuck yourself. I hope you fall on an aids needle, you gaslighting, lying motherfucker.
geoemrick t1_izmybi0 wrote
What a baby. First wants to take what’s not theirs and believes they are entitled to other people’s stuff.
Then cries and wishes violence upon someone on the Internet who simply said “stealing is wrong no matter who it is.”
So embarrassing for you.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_izo2ki8 wrote
You keep lying to justify your stupid fucking comment. You're a ripped colostomy bag of iq. Go fuck yourself and your family.
geoemrick t1_izqiznr wrote
What a mature individual.
geoemrick t1_izmxyb8 wrote
You’re so pleasant. What an upstanding citizen.
And lastly, stealing is brutalizing. Taking shit that’s not yours is brutalizing someone. It’s violating. It’s a crime. It’s wrong. It’s disgusting. Deplorable.
You need to get help. You constantly insult and cuss me out when I simply state that you advocate violence (stealing is violence) against someone who has done no violence to you.
Talk about who the “shitstain” is.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_izo2xnv wrote
"stealing is brutalizing" "stealing is violence" you are the dumbest, most useless, infant-brained dipshit I've seen on this board. Make up more dumb shit. I feel bad for the lead paint you ate as a kid - that paint didn't deserve that fate.
geoemrick t1_izqj584 wrote
Stealing is wonderful I guess. It’s not violent, it actually feels really good and is a huge improvement to one’s life isn’t it?
What a moron.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_izrbsli wrote
Yea, I'm sure best buy is going to cry itself to sleep at night, as it's a sentient being. You stupid fucking waste of oxygen.
geoemrick t1_izu9uzm wrote
Are you god? Do you get to determine who is “well off enough” to be stolen from and taken advantage of? And again, Best Buy employs humans. There are victims, even lowly paid employees, to store shut downs that are 100% caused by unattainable stores due to theft.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_izuzsyz wrote
They don't close. The employees do not give a single solitary fuck. You're fucking stupid. Go fuck yourself, you ignorant piece of shit, you dumb, ignorant child.
geoemrick t1_izyd2u0 wrote
Again, you're incredibly mature, your opinion is really one people should listen to.
YES THEY DO by the way. DO YOU THINK a store LOSING MONEY will stay open? THINK.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_izztcuz wrote
You know so little of what you're talking about. Even 20k in shrink is literally nothing to places like this. That's two weeks worth of their built in budget. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about and if you cared at all about not looking like a fucking moron, you'd shut the fuck up and learn something.
But you won't because you're a goddamn pile of aids needles. The dumbest, most useless shitface around who thinks they know anything.
geoemrick t1_j002lir wrote
If a store is losing more money than it makes.
IT
CLOSES
Maybe if you’d “shut the fuck up, you’d learn something.”
https://www.ktvu.com/news/major-retail-brands-threaten-to-close-stores-over-rampant-retail-theft.amp
Even IF as you claim they don’t have to close when being stolen from, but still do, my point stands
STEALING=STORES CLOSING
So go ahead and be a complete hypocritical moron who says they are all about the little guy while also being in favor of the little guys LOSING THEIR JOBS when the store closes.
Pathetic. Sad. Childish. Grow up.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_j00breq wrote
You stupid, ignorant bastard. You're buying bullshit propaganda. This is like talking to a little child who believes in santa. You dumb, dumb, dumb motherfucker.
Stores are not closing because of shoplifting. Your the most naive, ignorant dipshit in the world if you believe that. Go believe in the tooth fairy, at least it's cute.
geoemrick t1_j00e853 wrote
So stores can lose money forever and stay open?
Also, it’s *you’re
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_j00tlny wrote
Yup, got auto corrected by the phone and missed it. Ya got me. Yore a fooking idjit. Grats.
Yur still harping on that point like it means anything to the conversation. Touch grass and learn what the adults are talking about. You'll figure it out. Or not and every time you speak up with this stupidity, I'll ridicule you for being a window-licking dummy.
geoemrick t1_izu954c wrote
Nobody works for Best Buy, I just learned. It is 100% run by robots. Thanks for the enlightenment genius.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_izv02jk wrote
None of the workers there give a single shit if you steal from that store. They're not paid to prevent theft. They do not care. You're deflecting and trying to change the subject repeatedly because you're the dumbest piece of shit on god's green earth and don't grasp the basics of how this world works. You dumb shit.
geoemrick t1_izydd23 wrote
They can still be fired for not "protecting the items."
They still get laid off when the store closes from losing money. Do you have a brain???????????????????? JESUS CHRIST.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_izzsrqi wrote
I've worked retail before, you ignorant, stupid child and no one gets fired for that. Employees are literally told do not touch, do not try and stop. You know so little and think you know the world. You dumb little infant. No one is getting fired from a mega chain store because some people shoplifted.
No matter how much you think that happens, in the real world, where you know fucking nothing, it does not. Again:
You.
Don't.
Know.
A.
Fucking.
Thing.
You are so dumb and confident. It's a terrible combination.
geoemrick t1_j002b9d wrote
Have you worked at every single mega corp, at every single location in the entire country?
You
Don’t
Know
Everything
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_j00dkhf wrote
I've worked at enough and know how all the rest operate because it's basic common knowledge. You're stupid. A fucking idiot. You want 2+2 to equal 5, but it doesn't. I'm sorry that you're a disappointment to every person in your life, but that's a you problem.
geoemrick t1_j00ezy9 wrote
Here’s math for you:
1,000 total items go on the shelves. They cost $1,000 to buy from the supplier.
Each item has a 50% markup, so each item will cost $1.50.
500 items are stolen. That’s $750 lost. The other 500 items are sold and $750 is made.
THAT’S A NET LOSS OF $250. IT’S NOT PROPAGANDA LIKE YOU WANT IT TO BE. IT’S MATH.
Stop listening to the bullshit propaganda that wants anarchy, destruction, pain, suffering through violent degenerate criminal acts like stealing.
The math is there.
Stealing closes stores. Stores closing means regular people lose jobs AND the community loses stores and eventually don’t have access to food and other services.
it’s so fucking obvious, I hope you never, EVER interact with society as a whole because you’re such a degenerate you’d just ruin everything for everyone else, you selfish asshole.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_j00tdh2 wrote
You're in a land of make believe where you think those numbers and interactions are facts. You're a fucking moron who is trying to tell people the world isn't round. You're a dunce of the highest order.
geoemrick t1_j00tn0i wrote
If a store doesn’t make money and loses it instead because the product is flying out the door and no one is paying for it, the store cannot stay open due to basic economics.
Let’s see what fourth grade doodoo poopoo peepee (that’s how you sound) language/insults you have for me this time. Because that’s the only response you can ever give.
Curse words, just as someone as inarticulate, illiterate, childish, naive, immature, out of touch, and degenerate as you would do.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_j00wjq2 wrote
You're the dumbest, most ignorant piece of shit around for countless reasons. The fact that you keep harping on this like it has any basis in reality is truly sad. I feel bad for every person that raised a human being only to have it come out as willfully stupid as you. They put in all that time and years and the result is this useless sack of shit that's talking to me like they've got any point in the world.
What a disappointment to humanity you are.
geoemrick t1_j02fl7e wrote
If you run a business, you have to make money to stay open.
If people steal your stuff, you lose money.
If you lose enough money, you go out of business. These are facts.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_j02frxg wrote
You're a moron and you keep repeating that point like it has any validity to what I said. Please apologize to your parents for being such a dumb life failure
geoemrick t1_j02gpda wrote
It does have point. It’s truth. Stealing=store losing product without making profit.
Not making profit=losing money.
Losing money=store goes out of business.
Simple.
Also, even if you had a certain amount stolen from your store and you still came out with a profit, and month after month you kept seeing items stolen, why would you want to remain open?
When you can just close and go somewhere else without shitty people who steal your shit.
For real. It’s moronic. No one wants to deal with that bullshit, not even you. If you had shit constantly stolen from your home you’d be like I either have to move or arm myself.”
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_j02jc3b wrote
I truly feel sad for everyone in your gaslighting little life. You think you're saying something at all relevant to anything, when you just keep repeating the same dumb shit over and over. Perhaps one day, the problem will solve itself.
geoemrick t1_j05iqrf wrote
You keep repeating the same shit because you have no answer.
It’s simple. If you allow thieves to keep stealing your product, you WILL go out of business. You will also have to lay off regular working class folks.
Therefore: stealing =/= “just hurt” the mega corps, and on top of that, the richest don’t even feel it. It’s the managers, floor employees, etc who will be laid off.
Not to mention that it’s not your shit. Find some other, civilized way to “right wrongs” besides fucking up everyone else’s day and making people lose their jobs. How incredibly selfish, sick and twisted of you.
Your entire philosophy is a total disaster and embarrassment, not to mention cruel, abusive, violent, demeaning, and sub-human.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_j07ecic wrote
Look at you, crying over this still. You're a fucking ignorant, sad waste of oxygen. I'm sorry you exist and can't figure out basic common sense. Please fix this.
geoemrick t1_j08javj wrote
Who is more the sad waste of oxygen: me, who is in favor of helping regular working class folks and defending peoples’ liberty, or you, a thief/lowlife scumbag who wants to steal from people.
Hmm….
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_j09u335 wrote
you're a waste of oxygen and a fucking moron
geoemrick t1_izn1oz8 wrote
Imagine this:
Imagine you won $500 mil in the lottery.
You don’t do anything charitable with it. You selfishly spend $100 million on houses, mansions, whatever.
Because you “have plenty” and aren’t being charitable with your money, do you deserve to be stolen from?
First, let me cut to the chase: no.
If you say “yes,” the next question would be: who is the morality police? How much is it “okay” to be stolen from you?
If someone considers you “too well off” and wants to steal from you, why not someone with “only” $100 mil?
$50 mil?
$1 mil?
$500K?
$100K?
$1K?
Where does it stop? Where are the “rules” about WHO it’s okay to steal from depending on how much they have and how moral they’ve been in their lives?
There is always someone who could look at you and see you as “having a lot,” and that person could use your argument to fuck up your whole life. It’s a slippery slope of “exceptions here, why not exceptions there.”
So the obvious answer is: no one should steal from anyone. Ever. It’s fair. It’s just. It’s right.
Your argument is the opposite. It’s wrong. It’s sick. It leads to violence, as I’ve said. Perpetuating breaking into something and stealing is advocating for pain and violence. Destruction. Suffering. That’s what you are advocating for.
Stealing=wrong is the simple, fair way to avoid pain and violence (not that there’s still not pain or violence, but if stealing were okay then there’s be A LOT more of it).
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_izo2cct wrote
Imagine this: you wrote all that shit and I didn't read it. Go make up more fantasies to solve your brain-worm addled bullshit. Go fuck yourself.
geoemrick t1_izqj27t wrote
You have no argument.
People should steal from you from morning until night for the rest of your life….at least by your warped, disgusting philosophy.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_izrbx5o wrote
Go hump someone with ebola. It'll make everyone's day better. You have the dumbest, most infantile thought process on the entirety of the internet.
geoemrick t1_izu9983 wrote
Wish I was an upstanding thief and abusive, insulting, violent human being like you that wishes death and acid raining down on others.
You’re a great role model, and definitely not a degenerate yourself.
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geoemrick t1_izyd9k8 wrote
You're so intelligent and mature. You insult someone constantly with awful rhetoric like a mature, well-rounded, grounded individual.
Seriously though, you should be embarrassed. I know I would be if I found out how much of a child I acted like.
Temper tantrum throwing toddler.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_izzt224 wrote
It's very basic: I don't need to be nice to you. You're a stupid piece of shit. You keep espousing lies and misrepresenting what I've said to some weird bullshit black and white view of the world.
You're a fucking idiot and I have zero need to be polite or nice, especially online. You're a dumbass who thinks they know what they're talking about, when in reality you're an ignorant leaking asshole. Eat shit.
geoemrick t1_j002ijl wrote
I never said you had to be nice.
You do however, need to understand that the world is bigger than you and just because at YOUR store they didn’t close or fire employees for not catching thievery, it doesn’t mean that other stores don’t do that.
And when you are okay with stealing you are okay with people being treated like shit. That’s not a lie. Try again.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_j00dfx8 wrote
It's literally how the world works. I understand that you're a pouty, infantile dipshit who has expressed something and desperately wants it to be true, but that isn't how the world operates. You're stupid. You're ignorant. You're a gaslighting fucking moron.
One day, perhaps with enough shutting the fuck up and learning, you won't be that anymore. Today is clearly not that day.
geoemrick t1_j00ec8c wrote
That’s how the world works? Stores lose money indefinitely and everything’s just fine? They remain open?
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_j00tfxv wrote
Child you are so fucking dumb and ignorant that you think anything remotely related to that is the point.
geoemrick t1_j02fqfz wrote
Me: facts. Logic.
You: foul mouthed insults a 4th grader would say.
What a great debater you are.
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geoemrick t1_j05j69s wrote
It is a debate. It’s the real world vs you. Go ahead and keep hurling insults at me. I’m greatly entertained by how you try to argue your position with the vocabulary and maturity of a 4-year-old who just learned a few curse words.
Or maybe you’re more like a 13 year old who says cringe-y shit because they try to be edgy, when really it’s apparent they have 0 life experience and saying bad words is the peak of “coolness.”
Take your pick.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_j07eml6 wrote
It's not a debate. The fact that you think it is indicates even further that you're one of those sad, useless dweebs who yell out DEBATE ME and then throw out the dumbest, most useless non sequiturs to obfuscate. You're a dumb, sad, stupid sack of shit who imagines the world was something else.
You're up to 60 bucks. Who do I send the bill to.
geoemrick t1_j08iwev wrote
It is a debate. It’s you vs reality. If a store is losing money from thievery, it will close, and that will hurt regular working class folks.
Last time I checked, if your place of work closes, you lose your job.
It’s not “sticking it to the CEO.” It’s hurting regular people like you.
You just want to take what’s not yours because you’re that pathetic you can’t earn it. This is your excuse. How degenerate of you.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_j09u2ba wrote
You're repeating yourself as if it has any bearing on what I said. You're so fucking stupid you can't figure out that we're talking about two separate things. At this point, you're just so sad and dumb, that I'm not even gonna waste thought out insults on you anymore. I'm just going to copy/paste "you're a waste of oxygen and a fucking moron" every time you reply to me, because that's really all you're worth now.
geoemrick t1_j0acrkf wrote
You don’t debate. You don’t offer up anything. You just insult because your vocabulary and mentality is stuck as 12 years old. Come up with something better. You can’t though because everything I’m saying is true.
Stealing is never a victim-less crime, and you’re not God. You don’t get to pass that judgement on anyone and say to anyone “I deserve to steal from you.” You’re not some kind of guru like you think you are. Grow up.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_j0ag8xx wrote
>You don’t debate.
Correct. This isn't a debate. you're a waste of oxygen and a fucking moron
geoemrick t1_j0aihcp wrote
It’s a debate when you sit here and say stealing is not a victimless crime, or when you say you are the almighty authority to say who deserves to be treated like shit, especially common everyday workers.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_j0ak21o wrote
>This isn't a debate. you're a waste of oxygen and a fucking moron
geoemrick t1_j0al3zi wrote
Why do you bother replying? At least I’m not just copy/pasting a reply. Why not just stop? At least with me I’m actually coming up with a response.
DirectorBeneficial48 t1_j0amcp7 wrote
>you're a waste of oxygen and a fucking moron
QuickAnything t1_izfm8j0 wrote
Were underpaid staff supposed to risk their physical safety to save a Megacorp a few bucks?