restricteddata t1_is78edg wrote on October 13, 2022 at 8:21 PM

Reply to comment by aa043 in Three months since infamous hit-and-run, Jersey City councilwoman still has no court date by VanWorst

> she just kept driving, probably in shock

She drove off without stopping or even slowing, and did not report it to the police for six hours. Shock does not last six hours. Do you think you would ever be in a legitimate situation where you'd run into a bicyclist, not stop, and then not bother to report it for half a day? If your answer is "yes" then you probably shouldn't be driving. I absolutely cannot see it.

That is not a little mistake. It's a serious crime. And it lends itself very well to the idea that she may have had some reason she didn't want to be in touch with police for a long time after she had been in the car.

Running a red light on a bike is a minor crime. Hit and run with an SUV is not a minor crime. Don't be a dummy.

aa043 t1_is8f7z9 wrote on October 14, 2022 at 1:27 AM

You pretend this is a no fault accident. You need to accept the reality that Andrew Black seems to have caused the accident by running a red light and also biking on wrong side of the road potentially endangering others.

I never say she did not make a mistake leaving. You just stated running a red light on a bike is a minor crime. But in this case it has caused the accident your group is so upset about; biker is 100% at fault and DeGise is the victim of your minor crime. We must let the courts decide; that's my dumb advice for you.

fasulo_ t1_is8s880 wrote on October 14, 2022 at 3:07 AM

You must be an idiot or a shill, so I won’t editorialize.

Leaving the Scene of an Accident in New Jersey (39:4-129 & 2C:12-1.1)

Drivers involved in an auto accident are required by New Jersey law to stop and exchange personal and insurance information. In addition, in cases involving injuries, a driver must attempt to render aid to those who need it. However, some drivers are so shocked and scared by the circumstances of the accident that they panic and flee instead.

The penalties for leaving the scene of an accident in NJ can include fines of $200 to as much as $15,000, plus a suspended license and prison sentence of up to 5 years.

Moreover, New Jersey prosecutes leaving the scene of an accident under two distinct statutes: one as a traffic violation and one as a criminal act. A person who flees an accident in which people are injured or killed can be charged with both.

Penalties for Leaving the Scene of an Accident in NJ (Injuries or Death)

When a person leaves the scene of an accident in which one or more persons are hurt or killed, the penalties increase significantly. In addition, the person will be charged with both the traffic offense (39:4-129) and the criminal offense (2C:12-1.1). These penalties are as follows.

Jail/Prison: Conviction for the traffic violation carries a sentence of up to 180 days. The criminal charge is a third-degree indictable offense (felony) that carries a prison sentence of 3 to 5 years. License Suspension: For accidents with injuries or fatalities, leaving the scene means a one-year suspension. Fines: Under the traffic violation, the fine for leaving the scene of an accident resulting in injury or death is between $2,500 to $5,000. The criminal offense carries a fine of up to $15,000. Surcharge: Due to the number of points assigned to the traffic offense for a hit-and-run with injuries, drivers can expect to pay a surcharge of at least $600, in addition to the fines. Points: New Jersey assigns 8 points for leaving the scene of an accident in which someone is hurt or killed under the traffic offense statute.

restricteddata t1_isflsqe wrote on October 15, 2022 at 4:37 PM

It. Doesn't. Matter. Who. Caused. The. Accident.

The crime is Hit and Run. If she didn't do that, then the cause of the accident would matter. But she did, so it doesn't.

I wonder who you think my "group" is. I'm a progressive/liberal Democrat who generally supports Fullop and the rest of his slate. But I absolutely have a distaste for politicians who think they are "above the law" (which DeGise clearly does, as is evidenced by all of the other shady shit that came out after this debacle), and I have a deep distaste for cynical corruption (like nepotistic party politics) both because it is gross and because it decreases confidence in electoral democracy, which is deeply dangerous, especially at this moment. Everything she has done since the accident has said, loudly and clearly, that she is a piece of shit who should not be in power. The fact that nearly the entire city council and the mayor are willing to look the other way on this — because of the aforementioned Hudson County party machine politics — makes me sick of the whole bunch, and makes me fear that it gives an angle for other piece of shit politicians from the other party to get a foothold and push terrible policies. I also don't want someone in power who can't be held accountable because her daddy is an important person. I want my politicians accountable, sorry. I know, a really, truly radical idea, ain't it?

So yeah. I care about this. I also care because I have some bare standards for decency for politicians, and running someone over and not stopping to check if they are OK violates that. My uncle and aunt were victims of a hit and run years ago, and were crippled by it. It does not matter one bit to me whether they were at fault. What matters is that some asshole left them there to die. There's no excuse for it.

I wouldn't trust someone like that to watch my dog, much less have a voice in running my city. And separate from that, the corruption of it drags the entire city down. She has to go. I don't give a shit about someone on a bike running a red light. That's a thing that endangers primarily himself. What she did is anti-social. There's a huge difference.

If you can't see that, you're either her father, or a moron. I'm sorry.

aa043 t1_isi87lp wrote on October 16, 2022 at 4:34 AM

>Running a red light on a bike is a minor crime.

Unrelated to DeGise, thus a moron I must be.

Unfortunately I have great difficulty with use of 'victim' for the party that was entirely responsible for causing an incident.

I believe anything, including bikes, running red lights is dangerous to anyone they collide with as well as to themselves in such situations.

Trying to bring down some local politicians, you are supporting dangerous safety violations.