Submitted by Historical_Times_29 t3_xy2xpi in jerseycity
rubensinclair t1_irfn6lf wrote
Reply to comment by intellos in More good news for JSQ! by Historical_Times_29
Please explain. I don’t understand.
el_tigrox t1_irfo27z wrote
They often take money from public school funding, but don’t have the same standards or accountability. So, instead of putting more money into schools that need it, we’re actually just diverting or draining money. That said, it depends how the charter school is set up or funded.
keepseeing444 t1_irgbgq9 wrote
Charters would not be necessary if JCPS weren’t such a shitshow
pixel_of_moral_decay t1_irgnps7 wrote
It’s part of why they’re a shit show.
They take the more profitable easy to teach students and leave the more expensive ones in public schools.
Then everyone complains that public schools spend too much per child and have poorer outcomes ignoring how many barriers are put into place to avoid letting kids with expensive issues get into charter schools.
It’s like a hospital who claims cost effective treatment compared to other hospitals but only treats skinned knees. Everyone else gets sent to other ER’s.
keepseeing444 t1_irgr8el wrote
Students are not the shitshow. I don’t fault individual teachers either but the incompetent deadweights in administration building that make your life incredibly difficult as a tax paying parent when you’re trying to enroll or transfer your kid or need any kind of basic assistance or clarity from their convoluted and often asinine practices. The level of disdain and contempt they show to people that pay their salaries and pensions is beyond despicable. Their standard protocol for responding to emails is “Ignore all”. Then when you are forced to call them it’s never easy - and that someone on the phone is usually just so fucking rude and impatient AF like “why the fuck are you bothering me?”. The culture from admin layer gets passed down to individual schools leadership unfortunately and overall this is the shitshow that gave birth to popularity of charters I am betting.
Ilanaspax t1_irgtuqd wrote
Wait until you see who invests in charter schools and realize there are lobbyists actively working to destroy public education for profit. There’s a reason why some things should not be privatized.
pixel_of_moral_decay t1_irgw3kt wrote
Yup. It’s gross.
Same with trying to dismantle USPS or privatize parts of the military, or even NASA.
These things were setup as public institutions for very clear reasons. To avoid profit being the primary goal rather than achieving objectives and to ensure public has input and accountability.
These institutions were setup that way to prevent profiteering, and now they’re being modified to allow political donors to fill their wallets.
Profit shouldn’t be the motive. The finances these things should be worried about is getting the most out of their budget, avoiding overruns, and demonstrating results.
jerseyboiii t1_irhd7dn wrote
I’ll bet this school does well and the other public schools don’t get worse.
If it’s all the same pot of students, overall doesn’t it mean no real change to city’s schools? Don’t they include charter schools in the overall jc statistics ? Who care is this charter school takes money away from public schools, it is also a public school teaching public school kids. Who the hell is talking about defunding the public schools ? This is a jc public school
Probably a better one.
Sure it attracts families that are smart enough to apply.
Kids at the other jsq schools have families that are not smart enough to apply. Why is that bad? There are already “good” schools and “bad” ones, why is it bad to have another good one?
I feel like it just makes people butthurt because it ends up showing that it’s not really the school that matters, it’s the kids.
But that also shouldn’t matter in terms of policy. Cuz kids who do poorly would do poorly in any school. Not everyone is an A student or even a B student.
AshIsAWolf t1_irgcait wrote
Charter schools dont actually perform any better than public schools, and actually result in a net decrease in educational attainment because there is less money for public schools.
Plus lower pay for teachers, creaming, inflated executive salaries and plenty of corruption.
rubensinclair t1_irgypmz wrote
So this is not good news for JSQ!
Ilanaspax t1_irh4c8s wrote
They don't even require their teachers to have college degrees.
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keepseeing444 t1_iriz89t wrote
What data do you have to prove charter schools don’t perform any better than horrible 49% reading, 33% math JCPS produce?
AshIsAWolf t1_irjozgx wrote
> charter middle schools that hold lotteries are neither more nor less successful than traditional public schools in improving student achievement, behavior, and school progress.
https://ies.ed.gov/ncee/pubs/20104029/pdf/20104029.pdf
Also Jersey City already has charter schools. Why would more charter schools improve our already broken schools.
keepseeing444 t1_irkwhq2 wrote
Here’s most recent data from our neighbors in NYC. https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2019/08/23/2019-new-york-test-scores-charter-school-students-compared-to-public-school-students
“63 percent of the charter students in grades 3 through 8 passed the state math exam this year, compared to 46 percent in traditional public schools. And 57 percent of charter students were proficient in English Language Arts, compared to 47 percent in regular public schools.”
Also important to note majority of NYC charters cater to low income Black and Hispanic students, historically lower achievers than White and Asian students. Charters are popular for this very reason and very necessary when public schools are such shitshow.
AshIsAWolf t1_irlc4oc wrote
> Charter schools dont actually perform any better than public schools, and actually result in a net decrease in educational attainment because there is less money for public schools.
Meanwhile this study found during that period that nyc charters enrolled significantly less esl students, disabled students, and poor students, and had 8 times the rate of suspensions.
https://www.uft.org/sites/default/files/attachments/City_and_State_Excluding_Charters_12.11.19.pdf
This investigation found that 155 of 183 charter schools had disciplinary policies in violation of federal or state civil rights laws in New York city
This investigation found that success academies, which was mentioned in the article you posted, expelled massive numbers of students. At one school 1 in 5 students who started at that school was expelled by the end of the year
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