What caused this?Submitted by TrashAtEverything_ t3_zt48zr in iphone
FknBretto t1_j1d24fm wrote
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80% is a bit early to be replacing the battery unless it’s faulty, iPhones won’t even pull performance at that battery health. This battery is probably a lot lower than that to be triggering the performance management settings
Dougle_07 t1_j1d6llx wrote
80% is the threshold for Apple to recommend a battery. That’s when messages like this generally start appearing.
FknBretto t1_j1djn4i wrote
When Apple recommends a new battery and when performance decreases due to battery% aren’t the same at all. I’ve had devices in the 60%s before it started to impact performance.
Dougle_07 t1_j1dnqkl wrote
I didn’t say they were. I said what the official threshold was and when messages like this will generally start to appear. Under 80% is expected and generally means the battery is behaving/degrading as expected over time. Above 80% is unexpected behavior and means something is wrong.
Shadowfalx t1_j1dtm27 wrote
What does this message say?
I'm pretty sure it says that performance was affected. Thus, you are arguing with yourself. You are saying Apple gives these messages when the phones performance is affected by decreased battery capacity at 80%, yet that battery capacity isn't affected until less than 80%.
Dougle_07 t1_j1dusrf wrote
Again no. I said that generally these messages start appearing at/below 80%. The alternative, seeing this message above 80% is indicative of an unexpected hardware failure. In OP’s case, that distinction would be important in how serious to take this message.
Shadowfalx t1_j1dvws7 wrote
You're wrong. These shouldn't occur at 80%. Apple recommends replacement at 80%, that doesn't mean the battery is unable to provide the necessary amperage at 80%.
You are doubling down because you don't want to be wrong, it's okay to be wrong.
Dougle_07 t1_j1dxvim wrote
4 years working at apple as a Mac tech, thousands of appointments, I know what I’m talking about.
Your difficulty in understanding what I’ve been saying (that the battery percentage and message are related but not mutually exclusive) does not mean I’m wrong. Thank you though
Shadowfalx t1_j1e4kqn wrote
Yeah, sure, I'm Steve Jobs, so I know what I'm talking about.
You said the message and the battery degradation percentage are connected.
Dougle_07 t1_j1e5nwy wrote
Literally never said that.
You’re bitter, it’s okay.
Shadowfalx t1_j1e7ri3 wrote
Dougle_07 t1_j1e9myw wrote
You deliberately ignored the immediate following comment. You know, the one before you chimed in.
“I didn’t say they were. I said what the official threshold was and when messages like this will generally start to appear. Under 80% is expected and generally means the battery is behaving/degrading as expected over time. Above 80% is unexpected behavior and means something is wrong.”
You really got me
Gloriathewitch t1_j1lkbl5 wrote
You realize batteries can fail in ways other than capacity, yeah?
The amount the battery holds (capacity) Is not the same as current.
One is how much it can hold, one is how much power it can supply per second until the capacity is depleted.
Anything from heat, cold, or chemical failure in the battery can cause this kind of issue, you can have over 100% batt health and the battery can still be a lemon if it drops cells or electrolytes cause expansion.
HerefortheTuna t1_j1dc1v6 wrote
My iPhone mini 13 is down to 84% after a year. I’m definitely getting it replaced soon
Sway_RL t1_j1djdo1 wrote
84%? my 13 pro is at 97% after a year. how is it so different
EndlessWondersWisps t1_j1djttx wrote
The Mini has a much smaller battery. So for simplicity’s sake, if you use both for the same workload, the Mini will need to be charged more often to last as long as the Pro. More charging=more wear
AFoxGuy t1_j1dmwvx wrote
My mini just got to 89% and that’s with 2+ charges a day with MagSafe, what are you doing?
RedRedditRedemption2 t1_j1f5mvr wrote
Wait… aren’t you the guy from r/SEARS and r/kmart?
AFoxGuy t1_j1f7jm5 wrote
Yep! I’m the one who posted the Sears/Kmart Puerto Rico images!
RedRedditRedemption2 t1_j1f7liw wrote
What a small world we live in…
AFoxGuy t1_j1f9nvx wrote
Ikr lol.
HerefortheTuna t1_j1gbvrx wrote
My 13 pro is 99% and I’ve had it since January. But that’s irrelevant to me since that one is my work phone that I rarely use
Edit: got the 13 mini in November 2021 and the pro in January 2021
ZuraX15301 t1_j1ghazl wrote
My 13 Pro Max is at 84%. I am watching YouTube and surfing social media most of the day.
Zieen_Kuo t1_j1dq5hn wrote
My 12 Mini dropped to 84% before it’s first birthday, but more than two years now and it’s still 84%. I don’t believe the degradation to be linear.
HerefortheTuna t1_j1gbia5 wrote
That’s fair. I paid for the appecare though so I may as well get it replaced.
masteredUI0406 t1_j1dkkne wrote
I’ve had a mini for 6 months now and it’s at 99% idk how you got it down to 84
HerefortheTuna t1_j1gbmqh wrote
I hadn’t checked in awhile but it dropped fast. I missed all of 97%- 88%
flipflubduck t1_j1e0d4l wrote
Curious of your charging habits. I’ve had my normal 13 for almost a year now (Jan 15th will mark a full year) and I just dropped to 98% earlier this week
HerefortheTuna t1_j1g8ej2 wrote
I use over 100% each day. Sometimes even 200%. I charge at my desk while working but also I use CarPlay a lot and charge over ivht
iguessineedanaltnow t1_j1dmq6o wrote
13 mini as well and I’m at 89% after about a year.
futures17gne t1_j1f13de wrote
I've had a 12 mini for 2 years and I'm at 88 battery health. I thought the 13 mini is supposed to have a larger battery? Must all be down to usage I guess.
I absolutely love the mini iPhones. Wish they had not discontinued them. I plan holding onto mine for as long as possible. Will likely get a battery change from Apple once the health dips below 60.
HerefortheTuna t1_j1g873h wrote
I use my phone a good amount. I also have a 13 pro but it’s my work device so I only try to use it for work things. I use about 125-150% of my mini 13 battery per day so likely have a higher cycle count than other folks do
FknBretto t1_j1djvur wrote
Either you have some very odd charging habits your you have a faulty battery. 15+% within one year is well outside of an acceptable degradation of product life
HerefortheTuna t1_j1gbrr7 wrote
I use mine phone a lot and I charge with wireless charger at work and usually the iPad charger or my work laptop dock when I’m home idk man. I have AppleCare so I’ll get it swapped when I find the time
RyRyShredder t1_j1dcxn1 wrote
Yeah mine is at 73% and still says it is delivering peak performance. It does say I should replace it in the battery health menu, but I have never had a pop up message like this. Apple recommending replacement at 80% is just to get more money out of people.
FknBretto t1_j1dks70 wrote
It’s not only a bit of a cash grab; it’s very wasteful and harmful to the environment.
For reference I replaced my daily 8+’s battery 3 years ago and I’m at 76% with no degradation in performance (aside from the “new OS, who dis?” features designed for the newest hardware). Lithium batteries aren’t an annual replacement item and we shouldn’t test them like that
bslawjen t1_j1f29oa wrote
What does "no degradation in performance mean", cause mine is at 80% and the battery lasts like an hour if I use my phone.
Underbyte t1_j1f4ey3 wrote
Fun fact: 80% is the magic number for a free battery replacement if you’re still in your AppleCare period.
FknBretto t1_j1ggfpm wrote
Yes 20% degradation within a year is of course a warranty issue
NODA5 t1_j1dm5mt wrote
Not always the case. Some phones need replacement at 85
EnteiCosmos t1_j1dvon0 wrote
Never had a phone pull performance at 85%. At 73% was my personal experience but aside from that? Nope. I can maybe see that happening on the SE 1st gen with its tiny battery though.
NODA5 t1_j1eggvf wrote
Wait till you experience a 12 mini, absolute garbage
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