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Welcome to our Simple/Short/Silly history questions Saturday thread!

This thread is for all those history related questions that are too simple, short or a bit too silly to warrant their own post.

So, do you have a question about history and have always been afraid to ask? Well, today is your lucky day. Ask away!

Of course all our regular rules and guidelines still apply and to be just that bit extra clear:

Questions need to be historical in nature. Silly does not mean that your question should be a joke. r/history also has a discord server where you can discuss history with other enthusiasts and experts

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JoeParkerDrugSeller t1_j59ub0y wrote

What is the history of cars and keys? Did they always have them, separate for doors and start up, or something more complicated?

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ehh246 t1_j5a8l0u wrote

Why did Tutankhamun’s treasures like the iconic gold mask end up staying in an Egyptian museum (aside from the world tours, of course) instead of ending up in a British museum? The exhibition was led by Howard Carter, an Englishman.

I’m just saying it’s not often a country like Egypt gets to keep its cultural heritage, at least back then.

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Bentresh t1_j5adxjn wrote

Intact tombs were an exception to the usual system of partage in which finds were divided between Egypt and the institutions sponsoring excavations. To quote Carnarvon’s permit,

>Mummies of the Kings, of Princes, and of High Priests, together with their coffins and sarcophagi, shall remain the property of the Antiquities Service.

>Tombs which are discovered intact, together with all objects they may contain, shall be handed over to the Museum whole and without division.

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labdsknechtpiraten t1_j5ajfct wrote

Basically, keys kind of come hand in hand with the invention of the starter motor.

Prior to that, you had cranks on the front of the car. On Dodge vehicles they were colloquially known as wrist breakers due to the quirks of their operation.

As for separate door and ignition keys... that is exceedingly uncommon these days, but seems, to my knowledge, to be a quirk of the Detroit Big 3. These days, basically every vehicle is keyed the same door and ignition.

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getBusyChild t1_j5akdnw wrote

I read online, earlier this week, that one of the biggest code breaking leaks/espionage was done by the Dutch against the United States after WW2. The method? Good manners. In which they got the machines, and even codebooks. Is that even remotely true, can't find anything online about it...

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meloqnn t1_j5apcjz wrote

why are historical figures painted differently in paintings? For example Napoleon, in some paintings he has blue eyes in some brown and in some even green (in the ones where he is in emperor clothes). What was his real eye color and why did painters paint historical figures and people differently?

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Depatio t1_j5aps9p wrote

What comes first: The road or the town?

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jrhooo t1_j5axbpz wrote

I’ve heard stories, I think they referenced it on an old Top Gear episode, where even today, at some automobile museums, they’d have some old time cars as exhibits

And the crank was a known safety trap, even among the staff like, “yes, we’ve had lots of staff members broken wrists here”

EDIT: YAY. Found It! Actually a good watch. Couple minutes on “what was the first car with a modern control layout

Extra Edit: AND it has the answer to OPs question. The 1916 Cadillac Type 53. First car with an ignition key, and a standard control layout (clutch, brake, and gas pedals in the same place they are today)

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elmonoenano t1_j5cdl36 wrote

Catalhoyuk raises some interesting questions about that b/c it's a town entirely without roads. All the houses were built abutting each other and people walked across roofs and entered and exited through the roof. And it's one one of the oldest known towns.

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phillipgoodrich t1_j5cf8hx wrote

Agree that it was primarily a case of good timing; the tomb of King Tutankh-amon was not discovered until the 20th century. Had it been discovered 100 years earlier by a Brit, you can bet that the entire contents would reside today in that museum in London.

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Bill_From_RDR2 t1_j5ea21m wrote

Were there any events like the ww1 Christmas truce in ww2?

I know about the time allied soldiers and the German army fought against the SS but no other. Can someone name any?

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LaoBa t1_j5f0ojp wrote

During the battle of Arnhem in 1944, the St Elisabeth Hospital was a hospital in ARnhem. A medical unit of the British 1st Airborne Division, the 16th Parachute Field Ambulance, went to the building on 17 September 1944 to take care of the wounded of the 1st Parachute Brigade there. They arrived early in the evening and found, in addition to Dutch medical staff, a German medical unit, both busy tending to wounded of both sides. The British took over control of the hospital but allowed the Germans to keep working here. From that moment, Dutch, British and German medical staff work together to take care of incoming wounded from both sides.

The Hospital found itself in the front line on 18 September. While the war was raging outside, the people inside kept working to save lives. Late in the evening of 17 September, a group of German soldiers was cut down on the driveway of the hospital by British soldiers of C Company of the 1st Parachute Battalion.

As many as four times, the control of the hospital switched from one warring party to the other. When on 19 September the Germans finally took control of the hospital, they ordered the British medical staff to be transported into captivity. Major Longlang, the British doctor in charge, persuaded the Germans to leave two surgical teams behind to help the Germans tend to the continuing inflow of wounded. As a result many lives were saved, including that of brigadier Hackett who was wounded in Oosterbeek.

The Dutch underground, including resistance fighter ‘Piet van Arnhem’, was also active in the hospital. With their help, several British soldiers were smuggled out of the hospital to enable them to go into hiding and escape to their own lines. In this way, brigadier Lathbury and brigadier Hackett, among others, were saved from German captivity. Finally, it was decided in the middle of October that all British still present in the hospital would be transported to a POW camp in Apeldoorn.

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Mir0zz t1_j5j2tp6 wrote

I was recently at a short lecture about the development of the alphabeth. The professor mentioned an old king being upset for someone sending him a message using letter from an alphabeth of some kind, as he prefered cuneiform. I can't find his name or information about this online. Perhaps someone here knows?

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Bentresh t1_j5ktu1q wrote

It was the Assyrian king Sargon II (721–705 BCE), who reprimanded one of his officials for wanting to write to him in Aramaic, which was written alphabetically on parchment rather than with cuneiform on clay tablets like Akkadian.

>[As to what you wrote]: "There are informers [... to the king] and coming to his presence; if it is acceptable to the king, let me write and send my messages to the king on Aram[aic] parchment sheets" — why would you not write and send me messages in Akkadian? Really, the message which you write in it must be drawn up in this very manner — this is a fixed regulation!

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Chefs-Kiss t1_j5mrcqn wrote

Since I’m not sure I can post it I will ask here

There’s been a new ai that surfaced recently which allows people to talk to historical figures. It’s apparently has controversial figures such as Himmler and Eichman available. While in principle it doesn’t seem like a bad idea the conversation seem to be stirred towards apologia and sometimes bordering on conspiracy. It feels like the type of thing where historians will be left trying to untangle all the misconceptions created. I would like to know however what y’all think regarding this new development

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Then_Disaster6152 t1_j5nrywa wrote

Does anyone have any links to H.H Asquiths life before he became prime minister?

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MeatballDom t1_j5nvluh wrote

Not really worried. Even if/when AI Bots start writing history books they still will have to be reviewed. Already today we have humans writing Nazi apologetics and it hasn't changed the scholarly view of Nazism. I do particularly love (odd word choice but I can't think of a better one) the books from the late 40s that have apologies in them that the research was delayed due to the Nazis, imprisonment, being forbidden from working because they were Jewish, fighting a war, etc. it's so casual and yet so impactful.

Our main job as historians is to evaluate evidence, we look at at the sources and don't just repeat what they say but examine it. In my work I go down to the very words they use. I've written ~50 pages on ~50 word passages before. So far what we've seen with AI bots (and spotting them quickly) is some very odd word choice.

So as long as we continue to have historians, and as long as we continue to examine these works -- no matter when, where, by who or what they written, then the field really isn't in danger.

Is there a threat to the general public? Sure. But again, no more than the already available things out there, and the fringe and extremists groups pushing it.

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RocketButters t1_j5ohi6y wrote

Compared to the US what period in time is China in economically?

I felt like there are a lot of parallels between China and the US. China is a country currently shifting away from being a low-quality producer and becoming a country with an exploding middle class, growing domestic brands, and a ton of innovation. At what point in US history were we similar to that?

Would this be like a roaring 20s or is there a period in the US that more closely parallels?

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ThaBeardedMan t1_j5ozw91 wrote

Hello people!

I’ve been reading a lot on the Renaissance lately and have been fascinated with the Florentine society called The Company of the Cauldron. I’m trying to find some sort of emblem/logo/insignia for it but I’ve had no luck. Was just wondering if anyone can help me out with my search!

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GSilky t1_j5p6pv1 wrote

The "road". Passes, rivers, low plains, and anywhere else that people find easier to traverse are where most towns developed. These pathways would intersect and if there was enough people passing through to support full-time occupation, a town would develop.

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GSilky t1_j5p7g1h wrote

Sometimes a society's culture is developed in relation to it's competitors. For example the USA adopted it's motto and several patriotic rituals in response to the Soviet Union. Is there an example of this with Rome in regards to the Parthians/Persians? Was there anything of note that developed in Rome based on the challenges Parthia presented beyond military strategy? I don't mean "popular in Persia and it spread", but like "In god we trust" being stamped on money as a direct response to the perceived stance of the competition?

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bangdazap t1_j5px52x wrote

1940s-50s maybe? That was a "golden age" of the American middle/working class of sorts, but then the US was the last man standing industrially in a world ravaged by war, China today has to contend with more aggressive competitors.

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Thibaudborny t1_j5stddm wrote

Not that we have any particular information about. Also, consider the difference in the scope/possibilities of (mass) communication. The Cold War, in its global context in an age of mass information, had implications we simply don't see replicated in the past.

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Dramatic_Reply_3973 t1_j5vtiqz wrote

Sometime in the 80's they stopped doing this. I assume they were keyed separately so that the manufacturers could make starters and door locks separately.

This is also why we still say, "Could I have the Keys to the car?" And not "Key" to the car. Although, cars no longer have a "set of keys", it is still a phrase used in the language.

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labdsknechtpiraten t1_j5w2gdh wrote

It went on into the 90s for general Motors (I work in parts and pull key codes to cut new keys. It comes up). But yeah, I am not familiar with the import brands (well, imported to the US like Honda or VW) doing the different key thing, but wouldn't say for sure as I just don't know

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Iron_Man_88 t1_j5ws0f6 wrote

What was the largest city ever conquered?

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MeatballDom t1_j5wx49l wrote

By area? Population? and how do you define conquered?

There's been a lot of great cities that have been sacked, raided, or completely taken over by a new government, but in many cases the population had greatly dwindled by that time (e.g. Rome in its later years, Constantinople).

Then you have to think about effect and if you're including that. The Fall of Constantinople had a huge effect, as did the conquering of Tenochtitlán, which while not the biggest city to ever exist, did hold a lot of importance to the region and the resistance, and its fall reverberated quite widely.

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Iron_Man_88 t1_j5x8tn8 wrote

Largest by population at the time it was conquered by war (a 100,000 pop city in antiquity would be massive even if it's not large by today's standards) - city does not necessarily need to have survived the war.

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nanoman92 t1_j5yub1h wrote

Niniveh by the Babylonians (100k), Rome by Alaric (500k), Ctesiphon by the Arabs (500k), Bagdad (1M) by the Mongols were the largest cities in the world when conquered.

Niniveh and Babylon were razed, in Rome and Ctesiphon the sacks wasn't that bad.

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PantsTime t1_j639xyh wrote

There is no parallel (obviously, I sure you're aware) because the rise of the US was so dependant on the wars in Europe and massive wealth transfers from nations involved in mutual destruction.

Certainly the early 20th Century was when the US went from being mainly resource-based, to seeing a real explosion of manufacturing. This was accelerated by its self sufficiency, indigenous focus on industrial methods, markets, and ability to borrow ideas from Europe and people from everywhere.

China has industrialised so much more quickly but factories and manufactured goods are no longer the valuable and exclusive items they were: high tech manufacture has appeared and surpassed making consumer goods. Capital is now global so the conflicts of 100 years ago are, to an extent, obsolete.

Keeping the wealth from all this production within a country was not much of a concern 100 years ago: today, all the profit can flow out of a nation very easily.

So, if "China" makes an iPhone but the end user and profit takers are in the US, and the manufacture is done as cheaply as possible with equipment that can be removed, how "Chinese" is it?

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Ginno_the_Seer t1_j663aik wrote

Looking for a book(s) recommendation, I'd like to read about the early interactions between Native Americans and newly arrived Europeans. English, Spanish or French doesn't matter, just accountings of how the people within colonial powers interacted with their neighbors.

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Trovadordelrei t1_j669r4g wrote

Question: Was there any specific criteria for the differentiation between autonomous republics of the Russian SSR (like Tatarstan) and for the USSR republics properly (like Kazakhstan)?

That is, why did some of the ethnic minorities of the Russian Empire just got to be autonomous republics within Russia and not direct Soviet republics?

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