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[deleted] t1_j4clbbk wrote

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VenetiaMacGyver t1_j4cue6h wrote

I had thought that genocide had happened hundreds of years before, but your comment made me look it up and it apparently happened in the 1830s, so that definitely brings a lot of skepticism rightfully into play.

But, a few things:

  1. The main object discussed in the article is a war club; the Moriori were (sadly, for them) pacifists.

  2. If it was made originally by a Maori, it doesn't matter what their ancestors did to whom. Does it matter that ancient Egyptians slaughtered Nubians when discussing Britain holding ancient Egyptian artifacts?

  3. There are NZ provisions for returning lost artifacts to the remaining surviving Moriori people already, too. They're distributed differently.

The suckiest part is that the genocide was so recent, but people have been slaughtering each other since there have been people, so it really shouldn't invalidate ownership of all objects of any group's cultural history.

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Overtaker40 t1_j4cuiq8 wrote

I was saying this aswell until about a year ago, then I attended a history lecture.

While there are truths here including a genocidal attack on the moriori in the mid 1800s. The people that first arrived in New Zealand were in actual fact the ancestors of the Maori people.

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Islanduniverse t1_j4cudmk wrote

That was found to be untrue. Here. And here.

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Islanduniverse t1_j4eg32r wrote

Thanks! The less academic ones are much more accessible, in more ways than one, so I appreciate it.

To be honest, I wasn’t even thinking about the JSTOR one being behind a paywall, cause I was signed into my work email and I teach at a college, so it just let me in, hahah. So yeah, thank you!

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