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Dung_Buffalo t1_j3b7xwz wrote

It should be noted that only the red and black armies actually stopped pogroms. The greens, and especially the whites, were horrific and essentially were the precursors to the SS in their behavior.

It's no wonder so many former whites (and probably greens though I'm less familiar with any of their exiles after the war) joined the next Nazis as a foreign legion. It was like that with many such groups, the Lithuanians stick out in this regard. Nationalists today try to paint the nazi collaborators, including Stepan Bandera (oooh spooky scary, a putinbot saying mean things about Bandera) as just patriots who took help to "liberate" their lands from anyone who offered, and so pinched their noses and sided with the Nazis. This was not the case, they were enthusiastic mass murderers. Not just of Jews but of poles and anyone who happened to be a minority in their lands, as well as many of their own people.

Any attempt to make the reds and blacks equivalent to the whites and greens is a similar level of historical revisionism, I hate to say. It was not "pretty much everyone" doing these pogroms, it was almost entirely the whites and greens. Any time it did happen among the reds and blacks it was severely punished. There is a reason that millions of formerly apolitical peasants wound up siding with the communists, the whites arriving in your town was a horror.

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katamuro t1_j3dn76n wrote

this is really something a lot of people don't know, don't bother to know and try actively to distance themselves from knowing that Bandera was an actual real nazi who murdered people before WW2 based on his nazi views and then in the war the organisation that he was a leader of helped and participated german nazis kill jews in both the western ukraine and poland. So any glorification of this guy by ukrainains clearly say that they are nazis.

What would we call someone who glorified Hitler or Gimmler or that nazi propaganda guy? A nazi.

And people really underestimate the level of sheer horror that was the revolution, civil war and then ww2. The people who lived through it had fought for their lives for years from almost every side. They fought against germans, the white army, the international helpers of the white army, japanese.

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