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dunnkw t1_j1iw4j3 wrote

All I know about him really was that he was Born in 1599, died 1658. September.

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winklesnad31 t1_j1izfnb wrote

Also, King Charles was 5 foot 6 at the start of his reign, but only 4 foot 8 at the end of it. Because of..........

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MythicalSheep t1_j1j9qn3 wrote

Oliver Cromwell! Lord Protector of England (and his warts)

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[deleted] t1_j1k2oha wrote

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peteroh9 t1_j1ktzwu wrote

I think you may be living in a different timeline than I am.

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wolfie379 t1_j1kv07n wrote

Standard practice. Have you ever heard anyone referring to Britain’s second longest serving monarch as Victoria I? No, because there has not yet been a Victoria II, so she is referred to as Queen Victoria. “The first” is only added when there is a need to distinguish them from “the second”.

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peteroh9 t1_j1kvkl2 wrote

I'm surprised you've heard of Victoria if you had a King Charles II in 1860.

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CucumberBoy00 t1_j1ja0di wrote

He destroyed Irish heritage

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BarcodeBellend t1_j1jybt1 wrote

Not a Cromwell supporter by any means, and I don't think any sane person would argue he was a good person....

But what he actually did at the time wasn't considered terribly brutal.

Basically he just killed everyone who didn't surrender.

It's actually a really common thing if you look at siege warfare. Soldiers just went nuts and we're extremely brutal to sieges where the people did not surrender.

There's a lot to blame him for.... However his sieges are basically par for the course...

Look at the siege of szigetvar, a few of the mongol sieges, etc. There are baseline genocidal sieges throughout history.

Looked at by the lens of today naturally it's absolutely horrible, but yeah at the time....Completely normal.

I'd honestly blame religion and royalists for it all far more than Cromwell.

Here's some reading for you.

https://www.maynoothuniversity.ie/research/spotlight-research/why-did-oliver-cromwell-end-ireland-first-place

https://www.history.co.uk/shows/al-murray-why-does-everyone-hate-the-english/articles/oliver-cromwell-the-most-hated-man-in

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cionn t1_j1k9qg5 wrote

You're right, and i think there are more to blame such as Henry Ireton for the brutality caused in Ireland but lets not downplay the brutality of Cromwell.

The 1640s campaign was the latest in a 100 year campaign of genocide of Irish culture and people that expands beyond arguments of contemporary tactics.

The Tudor reconquest had a particular aim to destroy Gaelic culture, outlined in great detail in works by Lord Camden and Edmund Spencer, including tactics of scorched earth and how best to kill an displace Irish from the land. This ending in the flight of the earls was the major hammer blow tpogaelic civilisation.

Its was still surviving afterwards for the following years but Cromwell firmly put the secular gaelic order in its grave. By the time of William of Oranges wars a few decades late all that was left was its religious distinction until the gaelic revival of the late 19th century.

So in relation to destroying Irish heritage Cromwell was by no means the only the only vicious agent of it, but was undoubtedly the head of the most brutal. It just theres more blame to go around

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BarcodeBellend t1_j1kfkwu wrote

Sorry I didn't respond to your rather well delivered comment with something more interesting, but it is Christmas(happy Christmas btw),and trust me I have no love for the Tudors either as a welshman hahaha.

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the_jak t1_j1m42q7 wrote

I don’t make excuses for my racist grandmother, I’m not making excuses for Cromwells genocide.

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Muffinshire t1_j1jgmou wrote

I know that he was at first only MP for Huntingdon but then he led the Ironside Cavalry at Marston Moor in 1644 (and won).

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clig73 t1_j1jklnh wrote

Then he founded the New Model Army, and praise be!, beat the Cavaliers at Naisby, and the King fled up North, like a bat to the Scots.

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buttlovingpanda t1_j1j84b1 wrote

I don’t know anything about this guy, except the year he was born and the year he died. And his name. Other than that, I know nothing about him.

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dunnkw t1_j1jxkow wrote

Obviously you’re not a golfer…

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Physical_Magazine_33 t1_j1k9l64 wrote

In my visits to Scotland and Ireland I was introduced to many historic sites that were destroyed by Cromwell, and one cathedral up in the Orkneys he couldn't quite be bothered to travel to.

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RobertoSantaClara t1_j1qhis9 wrote

In Scotland, quite a lot of that destroying was actually done by the Presbyterian Scots themselves, in a similar iconoclasm to that which happened in the Netherlands when they began destroying Catholic "idols".

For instance, many Anglo-Saxon (southern Scotland included the old kingdom of Northumbria) crucifixes located in church graveyards were smashed and destroyed, because they contained "pagan" elements in them. The Ruthwell Cross is a surviving example of these crosses.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruthwell_Cross

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