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MaxApocalyptc t1_j10kbbn wrote

Reply to comment by andonemoreagain in Operation Overlord - Allied invasion of Normandy by ristinvoitto

And the fact that the soviets defeated the Japanese is something worth notice. The atomic bombs were just a demonstration of power that US aimed to scare the soviets. But under Stalin leadership the soviets developed atomic bombs in 1949.

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HUP t1_j10ot9k wrote

I'm not sure that's entirely accurate. The US was planning on invading the Home Islands. The firebombing campaign killed many more Japanese than did the A-bomb drops. And had not weakened Japanese resolve to fight to the last. The atomic bombs were meant primarily to show Japan that we would not NEED to give them a "glorious end" by a land invasion. Ancillary it was a sign to the USSR that we had a technological advantage. The USSR stole their Nuclaer program via espionage. They would've been years farther behind without these guys.

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MaxApocalyptc t1_j10rfvp wrote

Yes, the atomic bombs were product of inteligentia. But the fact is that the us were late to do anything at the final conflict in Manchucko. Soviets liberated China and Korea, the us came late and proposed the division of the Korea. The fact is that the bombs were not necessary, the bombs were dropped in the beginning of August and the Japanese just surrendered later that month, even after the bombs they kept fighting the soviets. The bombs did nothing to end the war.

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SailboatAB t1_j129syc wrote

Interesting. It's not often one sees a Russian propaganda bot so clearly. Usually they're better disguised.

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andonemoreagain t1_j10kli5 wrote

Ha, we might be the only two people that agree with each other in this thread. But yeah what percentage of Japanese soldiers were defeated by red army on the mainland of Asia? Way more than half.

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wheresmysnack t1_j10zc32 wrote

What? Where did you get this information from? There was LITERALLY no fighting between Russia and Japan until the final months of the war.

Edit: It wasn't even until after the atomic bombs dropped that the USSR even declared war on Japan.

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MaxApocalyptc t1_j1123q0 wrote

I got tons of bibliography cause I'm a historian. But just looking to your profile gives me the vibe "don't waste your time"

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The_Etch t1_j115nig wrote

His references go to another school

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GargantuanGorgon t1_j118cs9 wrote

You may be a historian, but he did say "literally" in all caps so...

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MaxApocalyptc t1_j119l58 wrote

I guess I have to rip my credentials and start studying in a renowned neoliberal business university to learn the real history.

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Appropriate-Weird795 t1_j11g9ul wrote

Considering the comments on this thread Max, there is no shortage of opinion- just facts. You are entitled to your opinions; just not your own facts, sir.

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scottstots6 t1_j11cmyq wrote

This isn’t even a little true, the two militaries that inflicted the most casualties on Japan were the Chinese Nationalists and the United States with Commonwealth forces in 3rd. The Red Army isn’t even close to inflicting half of the casualties on the Japanese forces. During the war, the only fighting between them was the Invasion of Manchuria where the Soviets fought a badly trained and under equipped Japanese army.

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occasional_cynic t1_j111ycq wrote

> Way more than half.

Is this a joke? The Japanese basically had nothing more than a large army corps in Manchuria by 1945.

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MaxApocalyptc t1_j112bjf wrote

I think he meant the entire japanese forces occupying the north. I think 50% is low too tbh

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