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Mister_Bloodvessel t1_iz3sb63 wrote

My first thought was, since people then and people now are not significantly different outside of the technology available, what are the chances these are just legitimately tchochtkes, decorations, and just little trinkets made by people feeling bored and artistic for the purpose of simply making something they thought was "these are just pretty dang neat and fun to make"?

I feel like a lot of stuff found in tombs, burials, and other things often are ascribed a lot of religious significance when in fact it could just be things they were buried with by family because they liked owls, or because it was something a grandchild had made for their grandma? I'm not saying all or even most of the artifacts ascribed religious importance by archeologists are such objects, but there simply must be a handful that are.

I mean, memes are nothing new. And even today, there are millions of people who just enjoy decorative knickknacks that look like owls (just to use the OP as an example), so why should we consider ancient people's to be so different? Maybe a certain culture thought owls were cute, or neat, or maybe the animal did indee hold a religious or superstitious significance which led people to make owl tablets because they found them to be nifty?

Honestly, I think the authors make a reasonable argument about the toys. Kids have always made toys out of things they've found in the woods or whatever, e.g. ever picked up a stick that made the perfect sword or wizard staff? Why should this be so different? What if someone commonly saw owls and thought they were just pretty darn cool, so they tried to make an trinket that looked like the animal they enjoyed?

Just a thought. I'm certainly not an archeologist or anthropologist, but I do wonder how many artifacts like these are ascribed far more significance than their crafters ever intended.

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Hekantonkheries t1_iz3tw2s wrote

I think part of it is necessities of the society.

A lot of the "leisure" activities associated with modern culture is because of material excess afforded by industrialized manufacturing and resource procurement. One worker can literally create thousands of times more product than they could then.

This means the time, labor, and materials of a crafts worker is MUCH more valuable, and thus less likely to be spent on "trinkets". That and, looking at society post-early agriculture, free time didnt really exist much for the majority of the human population, due to social hierarchies and labor demands.

That being said there are some civilizations that would enjoy a certain degree of material excess; usually due to a mass utilization of slaves in lieu of automation in industry (greeks being a prime european example).

Not to say your point has any less validity, just that for a lot of cultures it was literally a case of "ain't got time/money for that"

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Shaushage_Shandwich t1_iz48wly wrote

>A lot of the "leisure" activities associated with modern culture is because of material excess afforded by industrialized manufacturing and resource procurement.

The idea of leisure time and leisure activities only coming about after, and as a result of industrialisation and mass production has been questioned by a lot of people. Here's an interesting article that goes into some of the research that suggest hunter gatherers may have had more leisure time than modern people. https://www.rewild.com/in-depth/leisure.html

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Mastercat12 t1_iz4rhm6 wrote

They worked more then us, on the days they worked. Which was half the year usually. Then it was working on infrastructure projects and leisure.

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Galahead t1_iz45c1k wrote

These objects are almost exclusively found in larfe monumental stone underground burial tombs. They are also very common in portugal

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