Submitted by Sahaal_17 t3_z9r3mx in history

So, I'm fairly ignorant of pre-Columbian history and have been trying to educate myself a little; but in learning about Mesoamerica, I can't help but be struck by the stark difference between how fragmented the culture was in the west compared to the east of Mesoamerica.

The western half of Mesoamerica is treated with a huge amount of specificity; being split into many cultural groups/kingdoms such as the Mixtecs, Purepechans, Zapotecs, Yopitzinco, Otomies, Totonacs, Nahuas etc...

And then being further divided, with the Nahuans being split between the Mexica, Tepanecs, Acolhua, Tlaxcalans etc...

All of these just being the ones that existed at the time of the Spanish conquest.

There seems to be endless division amoung the western Mesoamericans, and a strong resistance to any sort of umbrella term to group these people together.

In the eastern half of Mesoamerica however it's just... Mayan. 2500 years ago? Mayan. At the time of the Spanish conquest? Still Mayan.

I know that they are broadly split into the Yucatec, Kekchi, and Mopan Mayans whose languages were not completely mutually intelligible, but there still seems to be a striking lack of cultural diversity compared to what was going on in the west.

And the thing is that the Mayans weren't all that politically united at all. There was never a single dominant Mayan kingdom or empire that united the area to standardize things.

So, how did this happen? What were the Mayans doing that kept their culture so homogenous over such a long period, that clearly wasn't being done by Teotihuacan or the Toltecs in the west whose empires seem to have faded and left almost no mark on the cultures that follow?

Or perhaps my question should be, how did the Mayans, despite never having a large united empire, so effectively displace / eradicate / assimilate any other cultures from their part of the world to create a vast and mostly homogeneous culture in a way not achieved by any of the large empires in the west that would seem better suited to such a task?

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dgl_2 t1_iyjig8l wrote

> So, how did this happen? What were the Mayans doing that kept their culture so homogenous over such a long period, that clearly wasn't being done by Teotihuacan or the Toltecs in the west whose empires seem to have faded and left almost no mark on the cultures that follow?

In short, it didn't.

There's a couple key pieces of information to keep in mind here:

Maya is an exonym for most people under its umbrella, not an endonym. This means it is a foreign name, not a local name. It is debatably an endonym for part of the northern Yucatan Peninsula that later expanded during the Caste War in the late 1840s - late 1910s, but this was a long and complicated process. Either way, it was still only primarily used by people from the northern and western Yucatan until significantly recently.

  • If you want to read more on this, I would recommend looking into the chapter Maya Ethnogenesis and Group Identity in Yucatán, 1500–1900 in the book The Only True People. If you need help finding this let me know, but it's fairly accessible online.

What prompted the greater expansion of the "Maya" label as a deliberately used label by the people themselves (and still only in a partial form) is essentially the Guatemalan Genocide. The Silent Holocaust, Maya Genocide, there's a couple names and you may or may not have heard of it prior.

The broad and short of it was a three and a half decade long insurgency war in Guatemala, wherein the military government very actively and disproportionately targeted indigenous citizens, for a number of reasons I'm not going to go into here, sorry.

Regardless, in the realm of 30,000 - 150,000 civilians were massacred very brutally by the Guatemalan military government, and in the aftermath the indigenous groups of northern Guatemala sought international solidarity both for aid purposes, and also as a defense mechanism to prevent a second genocide. It is not, particularly, a symbol of cultural unity.

  • This is, by the way, a pretty brief explanation because the Guatemalan Genocide is mostly outside my area of focus, sorry!

Now, to be clear, much of the peoples considered "Maya" do have common cultural traits - but many of those are regional, and they also partially apply to, for example, the Xinca, or the Lenca, and so on. What's considered the Maya region has always been very culturally diverse, politically disunited, and similarities are more in the sense of broad regional cultural trends rather than supreme unity.

  • As a note, Yucatec and Q'eqchi' are basically not mutually intelligible at all - they're part of totally separate branches of the same family, and the family is about as internally diverse as the European branch of the Indo-European language family. Q'eqchi' is more mutually intelligible with the Quichean subbranch of the southern Mayan languages, but not very.

There is an illusion of "Maya Unity" that sometimes get projected backwards - but it is an illusion, and primarily due to a lack of detail. In the Classic period (300 - 950 AD), this is partially because of the style of records not being particularly conducive to it. In the Postclassic period, it is due to the enduring bias of both the general public and many academics, of viewing the Postclassic Maya as some "degenerated" or "lesser" version of a past culture, and thus equally unworthy of greater attention. But over the last four decades, there's been a significant reevaluation, and we've come to understand the diversity, change, and accomplishments of these people to a much greater degree than before.

  • If you want to read more on this, I would recommend It Depends on How We Look at Things: New Perspectives on the Postclassic Period in the Northern Maya Lowlands. It is pretty much exclusively focused on the Northern Yucatan, but is a solid overview. Once again, ask me if you need help finding it!
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Sahaal_17 OP t1_iz02yuz wrote

Thanks you, that makes a lot of sense.

So the very brief version is that there was just as much cultural diversity in eastern Mesoamerica as in the west; it's just that more recent events have led to the umbrella label "Maya" being applied to a disparate collection of cultures in the east, whereas no similar umbrella label has been applied to the west. (I suppose because "Aztec" already exists as a lazy label for anybody who doesn't want to get into the actual diversity in the region.)

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Brother-Numsee t1_iyjhm82 wrote

You should ask this on r/askhistorians to get a proper answer

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War_Hymn t1_iyrhafv wrote

Isn't the western region more mountainous and the eastern region predominantly flat lowlands? I imagine the great difference in geography had a great impact on cultural diffusion/assimilation, with groups in the highlands more isolated from each other - hence maintaining more cultural/linguistic diversity.

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dgl_2 t1_iys3hvv wrote

>Isn't the western region more mountainous and the eastern region predominantly flat lowlands?

What you're thinking of is the Yucatan, which is, indeed, a giant flat slab of limestone. But much of the eastern region is also, for example, the Guatemalan highlands, or the Peten jungle, and the terrain even in the northern Yucatan is still pretty rough to actually travel across.

This all being said, as I said in my comment here, it's mostly a myth anyway.

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m00zilla t1_iyjt2hq wrote

One part of it is that the north and west probably saw more influxes of migrants that increased the diversity of cultures. That would result in more difference than Mayans slowly diverging from a common source.

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FoolInTheDesert t1_iyjwh4k wrote

It's a geographic phenomenon. Central America forms a physical bottle neck and as the region filled up with it's first group of linguistic arrivals there wasn't any room for new comers. They had to settle to the west and north where Mexico opens up. That's one theory!

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