drunkinmidget t1_ix77f6c wrote
Reply to comment by MeatballDom in An archaeologist's rebuttal against Graham Hancock and Netflix's Ancient Apocalypse by MeatballDom
PhD in History here.
It's sadly not quite that simple. There are often paradigms that are difficult to shift. Disproving one theory/interpretation or showing how something was different than we previously understood can be fantastic for one Historians career, but st the same time it is detrimental to (typically) numerous Historians whose work has revolved around what is being "discredited." Thus, people can get very defensive over a given interpretation of the past.
Even in fields covering more recent history, such as mine, where it is widely understood that our understanding of the past will change repeatedly as new information is retrieved (personal papers being accessiblr after people die, old folks not caring anymore and spilling the beans, government document declassification, etc.), you still get some very... aggressive defense of one's work from people.
So, if you are looking at a peer reviewed journal, for example, you won't see this conflict from just taking a look from the outside. But if your article is going against the tide of the field's accepted interpretation of an event, behind the scenes you may have trouble. Your article is going to be sent out to two of the field's leading Historians to review. When they read your article basically saying that their past work is wrong, they will review your article poorly and tell the editor not to print it. The editors go off the reviewers, then you don't get printed.
On the outside, you only see articles being printed with new stuff in it, but you would never know that all those articles are bringing in new stuff that doesn't go drastically against the grain of leading Historians who are reviewing those articles.
This is the same process with university published books. It's really hard to get a high quality publication in general if you are going radically against the accepted narrative for these reasons, and thus, you don't get paradigm shifts often. It can sometimes take scholars retiring and a new generation who is less attached and defensive to become the new batch of senior scholars doing reviews.
Tldr - He isn't making that outlandish of a claim. Particularly in a field that has little hard evidence to go by, it's very difficult to shift the accepted interpretation of the past.
maluminse t1_ix7bp4l wrote
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Mind-Individual t1_ix7b5rj wrote
>Tldr - He isn't making that outlandish of a claim. Particularly in a field that has little hard evidence to go by, it's very difficult to shift the accepted interpretation of the past.
Yes! I watched the show, and it's not the outlandish claims, it the lack of evidence. Like dude, just find evidence for your theories. It honestly reminded me of astrology, which I'm a fan of, but know so well the billion theories astrologers have and claim their opinion is evidence....like bye.
piazza t1_ix7c6ty wrote
This. He's like "and then they found a layer that was even older, going back to 24,000 years ago!"
<drone shot, another shot of him walking, moving to a new location>
Me: but you never explained how they arrived at 24,000 years! How? Carbon dating, or what?
Mind-Individual t1_ix7cgud wrote
The carbon dating!....That's all I kept think about! It would literally destroy every theory he has.
Also found out that his son is the Senior Manager of Unscripted Originals at Netflix.
thejoosep12 t1_ix79yy7 wrote
While there is some pushback against new thought in history and archaeology, Hancock uses it as an excuse for why his batshit insane and evidence free theories aren't being considered by academics. He is a journalist, not a historian or archaeologist and has no real idea on how any of this works.
RealFullBlownRetard t1_ix7bzv9 wrote
A PhD just told you you were wrong...
Belzedar136 t1_ix7ce7n wrote
I mean he says he's he's phd, but we have no evidence of this. Same as Hancock...... wait a second...
thejoosep12 t1_ix7c3z0 wrote
And you don't believe PhDs can't be wrong or disagreed with because...?
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