FeisTemro t1_it5xctd wrote
Well, we know there were links between Scotland and the Islamic world in the twelfth century. In 1105, king Edgar of Scotland gave a gift of a camel (described by the Annals of Inisfallen as animal mirae magnitudinis, “an animal of remarkable size”) to Muirchertach Ua Briain, then the most powerful king in Ireland. It can’t have been fun for the camel.
johnmuirsghost t1_it6hjpl wrote
The Galloway Hoard, a Viking-era treasure cache discovered in south-west Scotland, includes a vessel engraved with Sassanid Zoroastrian designs.
-SatelliteMind- t1_it7u2pm wrote
The Vikings travelled the Atlantic in that?!
johnmuirsghost t1_it836rf wrote
Truly unparalleled navigators.
The_Observatory_ t1_it8nciq wrote
It's larger and more buoyant and stable than it looks.
malthar76 t1_it8qm16 wrote
Likely hard to steer though.
The_Observatory_ t1_it8u1iu wrote
Eh, just depends on whether you care where you end up.
Vo_Mimbre t1_it9iq96 wrote
Go that way very fast And if something gets in your way Turn
crownjewel82 t1_ita06sj wrote
That's nothing. A guy built a replica of a 2000 year old phonecian ship and sailed it around the coast of Africa and then from Tunisia to the Dominican Republic.
DogfishDave t1_it6u1el wrote
>Well, we know there were links between Scotland and the Islamic world in the twelfth century.
This is true, and we know it even further back than that. Right-through trade links existed between Romano-Britain for wealthy traders, while different routes were available to the mixed peoples of the post-Romano vacuum, and beyond.
By the 12th century some trade and communication links were so robust you could make a cash deposit in Edinburgh and withdraw it in local currency as you got off the boat in the Holy Land. True story!
EDIT: Downvotes but no challenge as to which part of this you consider incorrect? Peculiar.
Second edit... faith in common sense restored... and now I'm off down a hole in the rain, wish me luck 😂
justforthearticles20 t1_it8es6u wrote
The Knights Templar set up that system and it made them so rich that the French King Philp IV and the Pope Clement conspired to steal it all.
DogfishDave t1_it8me4r wrote
>it made them so rich that the French King Philp IV and the Pope Clement conspired to steal it all.
Well... the Knights Templar were effectively French, despite later retrocon that makes them an "English" bastion, and they made a great deal of wealth from ursury so the money was always in a legal limbo. Eventually, as you say, the cash was taken by the Crown and the Knights fell from favour.
rosefiend t1_it7awir wrote
Yo, where can I read more about this? This is fascinating.
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juicewilson t1_it6m6q2 wrote
>It can’t have been fun for the camel.
Why not? Camels would love it in Ireland, sure its great craic!
Ad___Nauseam t1_it6ogbd wrote
Getting there might have given it the hump.
red_dragon t1_ita018c wrote
There are a ton of watering holes in Ireland I hear.
juicewilson t1_itaa2zk wrote
There where a lot more before 2008, that's for sure
red_dragon t1_itaapk3 wrote
Ignore my ignorance, but what changed in 2008?
juicewilson t1_itaffag wrote
Global recession, felt like nearly everywhere closed down
Shelala85 t1_it7q6ep wrote
There were also Muhammad’s running around medieval England and Ireland so it would not be surprising if there were actual Muslims who made it to Scotland as well as goods from the region (not suggesting that is how the glass got there though).
https://www.caitlingreen.org/2021/01/macamathehou-in-lincolnshire.html?m=1
mrgoyette t1_it8x4xr wrote
Not quite Scotland, but King Offa of Mercia minted gold coins containing Arabic script in the style of Caliph al-Mansur of Baghdad in the mid-8th century.
Westerns think of the era of post Roman downfall as a 'dark age', but it was really an age of global trade links being established by technological improvements. Norse longships that could run on ocean and way upriver. Arab warriors incorporating horses into their mobile attacks. And a BIG example of the establishment of Arabic as a wide-ranging spoken and then written administrative language, after the introduction of paper-making from China.
Briguy24 t1_it9qht9 wrote
Thank you I always loved reading European Medieval history and feel it’s under appreciated by most.
Zakmackraken t1_it78xtt wrote
Actually he had great craic in the pub.
Headygoombah t1_it9fjrn wrote
I was of the apprehension that the atlantean route stretching from north Africa to at least as far as Scotland, was an established concept. Evidenced by cultural, linguistic, musical, and artistic artifacts. I didn't think this was in lively dispute. The concept of cultural exchange between sea faring coastal population from Scotland to North Africa that is.
zer0kevin t1_itaux91 wrote
Well shoot maybe you should contact the researchers and clear this all up for them.
NiceButOdd t1_ite0yvd wrote
Actually, Scotland had minor trade links with Islamic Iberia at the beginning of the 8th century, and had contact with the Muslim world from some time in the 7th, you are a few centuries out.
FeisTemro t1_ite2fvk wrote
I said in, not from! I cite 1105 because the article dates the glass to the 12th/13th centuries.
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