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MeatballDom OP t1_je78mrx wrote

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[deleted] t1_je7hkh6 wrote

The nazis were into so many extra curricular activity then just maintaining a healthy society, they should be the poster of why greed and stupidly ruins everything!

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LlamarSalai t1_je7jnhh wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,465,799)

The way they were running the domestic economy was a) not sustainable and creating huge debt, b) the local economy was reliant on war machine to funnel supplies from the countries they were annexing, and c) they were doing genocide and eugenics to murder MILLIONS of innocent people and funnel their property and use these people as slave labour for the state.

I know you don’t mean bad, I just think there’s a lot more to it than this statement. I hope you have a great day!

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Jihadi_Penguin t1_je7lu98 wrote

Did the reich have a good relationship with anything?

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zachary0816 t1_je7n33u wrote

Replying to Jihadi_Penguin (#2,466,677)

Believe it or not, cigarettes. They had some anti-smoking campaigns to try to convince people to quit them.

Though they did also have some pro-pervitin campaigns which was basically just meth so I ain’t exactly giving them too much credit on that front either.

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TheHipcrimeVocab t1_je7rxyz wrote

Cool article. The British controlled Egypt in 1936, so it would be impossible for a massive German excavation to take place just outside of Cairo. But, hey, it's a movie!

I found this odd: "The sadistic Sturmbannführer Arnold Toht (the surname is an Egyptian wink, recalling the name of the scribe god Thot..." First, I've never heard him given a first name, so I don't know where that came from. Second, I'm pretty sure his name is related to the German word for death (e.g. Tohtenkopf; "Death's Head"), not an Egyptian god.

This article talks about how burials in Northern Europe were used for propaganda purposes by the Nazis:

>The ideology of 1930s Germany helped shape scholars’ initial interpretation of the grave. Discovered barely a year and a half after the Nazis took power, politics quickly became enmeshed in the skeleton’s story. Archaeologists were a fundamental part of Adolf Hitler’s nation-building program, which sought to locate physical evidence of the original Aryans, who the Nazis believed were blond-haired and blue-eyed and came from northern Europe. Hoping to support this idea, another archaeologist on the scene—who was a member of the Amt Rosenberg, a cultural policy and surveillance body within the Nazi party—proclaimed the grave that of an ur-Aryan based on the presence of the single stone ax and microliths. “The Nazis thought the burial belonged to a white man from the Neolithic,” says Harald Meller, director of the State Museum of Prehistory, an erroneous and dangerous conclusion that was part of a larger campaign to prove that the German “race” had been in northern Europe for thousands of years.

https://www.archaeology.org/issues/501-2303/features/11195-germany-mesolithic-shaman-burial

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DarkImpacT213 t1_je84psc wrote

Replying to Jihadi_Penguin (#2,466,677)

Anti-smoking campaigns, „improving“ infrastructure throughout Germany (definetly just for the benefit of the German population, right?), building railways in occupied areas (well, we are not talking about the purpose of the railways… but they were helpful after the war!), being a forerunner in banning experiments on animals (…we arent talking about the substitute test subjects though, its better that way)… oh and also Muslims.

So realistically… no, not really.

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Cetun t1_je89rft wrote

Replying to zachary0816 (#2,466,923)

Everyone took amphetamine salts, you could buy it over the counter in the US up until the 70s.

This is a common reddit trope because one guy wrote a book about amphetamine use in the German army and claimed that's how they beat France. Literally that's about the only source for "widespread" use of amphetamines by the German army. The book has been roundly criticized by historians as sensational and dubious, has been criticized by addiction advocates as characterizing drug addiction as "bad because Nazis are addicts", and has been criticized by anti-nazis as unnecessary because Nazis were bad on their own, being addicted to drugs isn't the bad thing about them.

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proposlander t1_je8j337 wrote

Replying to TheHipcrimeVocab (#2,467,953)

What’s interesting about the first and third Indy movies, which have the Nazis as the big bad, is that they have what could be interpreted as subtle digs against certain groups that collaborated with them. In the first movie, you have the French archaeologist which could represent the Vichy, and the Arab informant which could represent some leadership in the Arab world who at times also collaborated (e.g. Grand Mufti of Jerusalem). In the third movie, you had the American business man that collaborated with the Nazis representing the American corporations that had trade relations with them, and those in the US that were sympathetic like Ford/Lindbergh, etc.

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T1N7 t1_je8p0wy wrote

Replying to piratamaia (#2,468,458)

Well I wouldn't be so sure about these two things either....

Hitler killed his own dog to test his suicide pill, the logistical backbone of the Wehrmacht was based on horses and the ecology wasn't that important, when you had to produce weapons.

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zezxz t1_je8r5xw wrote

Replying to Cetun (#2,471,953)

Yeah but that everyone includes Germans too. Amphetamines are generally steroids on the battlefield, and that’s not a concern during war. The premise of the drugs helping Nazis push through against France makes perfect sense but I’ve never heard it called anything more than just that: an aid

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commander_Fox_of_ww2 t1_je8rdy7 wrote

what kinds of things did the reich steal from Egypt? because apparently they took some things with them back to Germany

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Chikorita_banana t1_je93fp3 wrote

Replying to T1N7 (#2,475,328)

Yeah and putting aside for a moment my disgust at their existence due to the myriad of other reasons, all those mass graves can't be good for the drinking water supply; PAHs, dioxins, nitrates, pathogens, and many other hazardous substances and intermediates concentrated into large areas percolating into the groundwater over time could lead to serious ecological and public health issues.

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Divine_Tiramisu t1_je9430f wrote

Replying to TheHipcrimeVocab (#2,467,953)

Egypt was a protectorate, not a colony of Britain.

The Egyptian royal family became a puppet to the UK after getting into debt while building the Suez Canal.

That's why they leased the canal to the UK for 99 years.

The Nazis would have been free to move about Egypt as they pleased, only seeking permission from the local government.

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yawningangel t1_je97nfs wrote

Replying to MaxDickpower (#2,476,635)

You do realise that USAF pilots were using "pep" pills during the first gulf war?

[Of pilots who were surveyed, 65% used amphetamines during the deployment to the SWA AOR and/or during Operation Desert Storm. Pilots who used amphetamines in air operations described it as "occasional." The most frequent indications for amphetamine use were "aircrew fatigue" and "mission type." Of pilots who used amphetamines, 58-61% considered their use beneficial or essential to operations. ] (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7661838/)

You think the were more restrained in the 30's?

https://thesecuritydistillery.org/all-articles/pervitin-how-drugs-transformed-warfare-in-1939-45

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boosnie t1_je9oy4h wrote

I thought the bad relationship of the Germans with Egyptology was called Bernard Montgomery 🤭

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bewarethetreebadger t1_je9vjo8 wrote

Bad relationship with History, all Archeology, and flat-wrong interpretation of Darwin’s theories.

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TavisNamara t1_je9w0ar wrote

Replying to FinanceGuyHere (#2,467,111)

It's really not. Car centric society is actively harmful to damn near everyone. If you've got the space and everything needed for a no holds barred high speed nonsense like the Autobahn, you can absolutely build a damn train.

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Mrgray123 t1_jea0lyg wrote

Unfortunately Egypt’s had a fascination for almost every loony group in the last few centuries.

They can never just appreciate it on its own terms. They always have to insert their own racial/religious/spiritual/political hang ups and obsessions onto it.

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myhihi1 t1_jebmgg1 wrote

Replying to AugustWolf22 (#2,488,611)

It was discovered by a German in 1912 and they had an agreement that they could keep some of the artifacts they found if they divided them with Egypt. So it was acquired legally although Egypt has since claimed that the German archaeologist hid it from them and blames the inspector they hired for not taking it.

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