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I feel like I haven't seen much about these since they launched, so here goes.

Coming from an HE560v4 I found myself looking for a bit more resolving headphone that could handle bass better, with good seperation and imaging. Wound up with these just a few days ago.

A couple things I immediately noticed:

Detail. For sure. Went from 7/10 to a solid 9.5 in terms of what I am used to. These do soft little dynamic background things extremely well and I've noticed new subtleties in all kinds of music. Not every song has it to the same extent, and things never come off as falsely overemphasized(?) the smallest things are just there where they never were. Feeling like I can tell exactly how much spit there was when the vocalist just did that thing with their mouth, feeling like I can hear the air reverberating through an acoustic guitar. Wind instruments get that same awesome sense of airiness. Not every recording has the same level of emphasis though, I feel like these are 'honest' in that respect. If the producer wanted you to hear it, you hear it. Different recording environments are made apparent on these for better or worse, but not in a way that has made anything unpleasant so far.

Bass: It may not be as encapsulating as something like an Edition XS (to me), but it's far from disappointing. If I were to A/B these with the XS I think I might almost find the XS a little bloated in comparison. It's not that I found their bass muddy or something; in comparison to the Venus it seems like the XS have just enough bump in the low end to where details can be pushed back or lost altogether sometimes during busy passages. I noticed that difference starkly when I listened to DnB and bass house on the Venus. These thump. They slam a bit too. Again, it seems like if the producer wanted there to be bass there is ample bass. Things like low synths and all that 20-60hz wonkiness you find in some EDM music are faithfully reproduced. Bass detail is very good, clean & refined even, while still providing a satisfying amount of thump.

Highs/Treble: It's good. Things have more "thwack" than I'm used to. Female vocals are more present as well, sometimes verging on 'ethereal' feeling if that makes any sense at all. Goosebumps have occurred more than once already. I'll admit these can get a little intense at times if you're listening at high volume, but I tend to take that as an indicator I should probably bump it down a bit. To me the nature of these is that they kind of make you actively listen to whatever content you've got going. Is that 'analytical'?

Timbre: These headphones helped me understand this word. I see the word 'natural' thrown around a lot and I feel like it really fits here. At least when referenced to the limited pool of Hifiman and Sennheiser products I've heard. Vocals are more forward (but not seemingly not moreso than instruments!) than with anything else I've heard, super clear. Stringed instruments sound so nice and full and plucky. Wind instruments sound real. Snare drums tend to have awesome 'pop' and that sense of airiness I mentioned is there sometimes with all percussion depending on the recording, most electronic music aside. Anything that my brain wants to have impact seems to have an appropriate amount of impact to satisfy.

Staging/Imaging: Still figuring this one out but I am liking what I hear. I think I agree with some reviewers in that these may not image as accurately as something like an XS (just gonna keep shamelessly referencing those) but a.) I'm not bothered by it, and b.) it does not seem to always be the case with all tracks/genres. It's close imo. Seperation of musical elements and textures is laser precise, but one cannot always quite pinpoint exactly where those different elements are in space... I would directly compare the size of the stage on these to the XS, but these are more variable whereas the XS seemed to make almost everything sound equally large. With these some tracks sound concert-hall-big and some come across more intimate like a studio recording. When I play Squad with these I can for sure hear things happening further away than I have with any headphone ever; PC37x, HE4xx, HE560v4, XS... none of those are on par with these with how big they can sound, in my opinion. When gaming in general I have not noticed a much of difference thus far in being able to pinpoint sounds, which is okay because I do think the HE560 I'm used to already had great imaging. Weirdly enough it's only in some music tracks thus far that I notice slightly blurred imaging.

Let's see what else.. Power? I would say drive these off at least a semi-beefy little amp for the best experience. It's a bit odd. With some tracks and genres these need more power to get to the volume I'm accustomed to, some significantly less. I can see how these are purported to be a little amp picky. Through my Archel 2.5XL the "loud" setting can live anywhere from 12 o'clock w/ low gain to 2-3 o'clock w/ high gain. Note my amp's high gain multiplier is reduced from their normal factor of 6x down to 4x.

So coming from what I had, and having tried an XS, I am much happier with these than I thought I could be within this price bracket. I am sitting down and just listening to things for longer periods of time than before, looking for things with my ears again because I feel like if details were put somewhere these are gonna go and find them and show me.

Edit: The only negative I really have so far is that the unbalanced cable + 3.5mm->1/4in adapter provided seem to not be the best. I've had a couple instances where I rotated the connector slightly and lost volume, lost some instruments, maybe vocals too, etc. I haven't been able to get any ill effects from just twisting or rubbing the cable itself so that's a plus, but the connections do seem a little spotty. So planning to invest in a nicer cable soon for sure. I'm sure the included 4.4mm cable is great, I'm just unable to use it with my amp. Otherwise the build of these is fantastic and really speaks for itself just in picking them up, putting them on, adjusting, etc. Very very solid feeling all around.

Nicely described, the thing I’m most concerned is QC and reliability since a few popular picks in this price bracket lack in that area, I guess I’ll wait for long term reviews, my other pick would be the meze 109 pro but the Venus seem to perform a bit better for what I’ve seen. Beautiful pic btw !

>With some tracks and genres these need more power to get to the volume I'm accustomed to, some significantly less. I can see how these are purported to be a little amp picky.

This is due to how power delivery works. These are less sensitive than your average headphone but that tends to matter more at higher volume levels. About every 6 dB, you have to use double the voltage from your amp. This means that the difference between two headphones at lower levels may not seem so much (a couple of mV) but at higher levels can mean a whole volt of difference. So if you have a song that has an overall quiet level of loudness, you will have to turn up the amp more for the Venus than you would another headphone since it will require more voltage to get the same increase in volume, especially if you have a linear volume pot.

Also, glad you like your Venus. I love mine. :)

Yeah. I bought these and received them a bit earlier than most. I had the sixth unit off the line and as great as they sounded they definitely had some flaws. The left side of the frame was partially bent and when you moved the driver it would scratch against the metal and damage the paint/ make a terrible noise. The fake leather headband was also unbelievably stiff and had issues with adjusting evenly when you put it on your head. Overall I wasn't very happy. I enjoyed the sound a lot, but the QC and headband caused me to send them back. Sadly, it's been over a month and they're still sitting at Chinese customs. Can't get a refund until they get to the factory (assuming they ever do)

> Feeling like I can tell exactly how much spit there was when the vocalist just did that thing with their mouth

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I like what I see. I wonder how it compares to HD600. That's my main headphone at the moment.

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I guess you could file this under QC or chalk it up to FedEx but mine did arrive with the right earcup partially detached (one side of one yoke arm had popped off the nub on the earcup)

I popped that back on and it's felt rock solid ever since. They really seem to be made with pretty tight tolerances coming from other headphones I've had, which I'm sure will cause them to feel a bit stiff to some especially new out of box. If someone needed to bend this headband for whatever reason they would have to try quite hard. Still gonna baby them cause I love the finish, but these don't feel like they need you to so much.

I do want a new cable for them though.

I'm familiar, I just was caught off guard that these (100dB, 18ohm) sometimes seem to need more power than my old HE560 (93dB, 50ohm) to feel equally loud. But then you may need to turn it down a good 15-20% to listen to another song comfortably, even within the same genre. It's like they just take up more of your usable volume range on a per track basis whereas the HE560 had almost a 'loudness normalization' effect. Maybe that just means I wasn't amping those enough?

It's the final countdown... Ba da da daaa, buh buh bu buuuh

What headphones are they and what brand?

Moondrop Venus

I think Hifiman report is their numbers in dB/mW, meaning the HE560 would take only 0.49V to reach 100dB. That would put their sensitivity at 106dB/V, making them still a fair bit more sensitive than the Venus.

TIL

I'd probably consider trying these if the cable wasn't in such a bad position

No it wasn't the shipping. It was off the line like that. You can tell by the undamaged paint over top of the bend. and if you see some little marks at the bend that's from me trying to bend them back (told to try by the rep at Moondrop lmao)

Oof yeah that may be a different story, I was just talking about mine though!

I had seen a youtube reviewer also say that one of their earcups came loose in shipping.

Yeah my ear cups arrived fully de-attached actually, but it's no big deal. They're made to be taken off easily for repairs

I see Geshelli, i upvote.

Can't directly compare to an HD600 but I'd be willing to bet these are brighter, bassier and more impactful in comparison