Also, many more official and trusted outlets have recommended the 8XX as a consumer product, including other popular headphone reviewers. You could say those people are shilling a product for money, but many of them don't get compensated for the review on this headphone and only gain haters from communities like Crin's. So if you acknowledge this, then please don't accuse me of having wrong ideas about headphones when similar opinions are widely expressed among the community.