Without this subreddit, I wouldn't have heard of these, so thanks to you! Very happy with my new purchase!akeep113 t1_iu0pxht wrote
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but really though. i think the $350 sundara is probably the best headphone you can get before you start hitting hard diminishing returns. the ananda, hd800, focal elex, lcd2c, etc are all fantastic headphone but are they twice as good as the sundara? are they really worth another $300+ on top of the price of a sundara? then you look at headphones a tier above those (arya, focal clear, lcd3, etc) and have to wonder if these are really x4 better than the sundara like the price would indicate.. if 'bang for your buck' is your goal, i would seriously consider stopping at the sundara.
mr_sinn t1_iu0t5db wrote
If you're not happy with them price is meaningless.
HuckDFaters t1_iu0yida wrote
If you can't be satisfied by a Sundara-tier headphone, the next tier isn't gonna be that much better, nor the one after that.
mr_sinn t1_iu0zze4 wrote
Value of money is different to everyone. I own $1000 tier headphones and couldn't have stopped at the $300 price point as a general reflection of quality.
I think they're talking more generally, that most people feel they're good enough for the price.
HuckDFaters t1_iu13fkz wrote
Yeah I'm just saying Sundara is already quite close in quality to higher tier headphones. People can stop with a Sundara and be perfectly fine. Other people can and will pay $700+ more for 5%-10% of improvement over the Sundara and that's fine too.
GOBBLESHNOB t1_iu3hw8n wrote
What exactly is "better quality" in a $1000 headphone vs a $300 headphone?
mr_sinn t1_iu41fox wrote
That would be like trying to explain colour to a blind person.
GOBBLESHNOB t1_iu41xw3 wrote
I know a lot about audio. What is objectively better in a more expensive headphone? I don't believe there's anything different besides frequency response and that is easily fixed with eq.
mr_sinn t1_iu536ur wrote
If you "know a lot about audio" I'm more surprised you need to ask. Go somewhere to try a pair it watch some reviews, there's generally a correlation between price and objective quality of a product
GOBBLESHNOB t1_iu6n9ox wrote
I'm just curious. What would you say is objectively better in an expensive headphone? I want to see a measurable difference that's audible. Something other than frequency response, because like I said you can very easily eq anything below very high frequencies. Transient response doesn't matter so long as the headphone has a response up to 20khz. Group delay is practically inaudible on the sundaras. THD is inaudible on the sundaras. Soundstage has nothing to do with price as it's based on earpad shape, depth, and driver angle. Resolution is not real, it's just frequency response. A "bad resolving" headphone would have a bad frequency response that masks other frequencies in an unnatural way. I just want to know what you think is objectively better. Looking at the LCD-2s, their frequency response is terrible even compared to the sundaras. The only expensive headphones I'd ever buy would be the dan clark stealths.
akeep113 t1_iu0ta6w wrote
Not sure what point you are trying to make
TRX808 t1_iu3pzkl wrote
I think that a great value (or lack of) doesn't mean that you click with a headphone. If you think the Sundara's sound sucks then the value proposition doesn't mean shit, and to the contrary if you click with an expensive headphone then the price tag may not matter as much.
(I own Sundaras and think your point is accurate but trying to explain for the person above)
akeep113 t1_iu4duci wrote
ah got it, yeah i agree. gotta like the headphone for it to be a good value to you
LTHardcase t1_iu27pl6 wrote
Prices don't suggest x-times better, never have and never will so this line of arguing has always been completely pointless. When the manufacturers start using that in their marketing come back with that.
Diminishing returns are not hard at the Sundara either, the Arya is clear proof of that.
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