Submitted by syahniel t3_11uitr1 in headphones
thebirdman9999 t1_jctcopq wrote
Reply to comment by No-Context5479 in Why sometime youtube video's sounds more wide than Spotify sound. by syahniel
The * normalize volume * should be set to off to get the best quality out of spotify.
using the normalize volume setting is not great for the dynamic range.
Another thing i find strange is that you say that youtube sounds louder, im a bit confuse by that, if i dont touch the volume and i compare the same songs between youtube and spotify, spotify is louder for sure. I would guess that the normalize volume setting has probably something to do with that, or another setting maybe.
No-Context5479 t1_jctdr7u wrote
u/thebirdman9999, Huh.... Normalise doesn't impact dynamic range if it's set to Normal or Quiet... Where did you here such lies... Normalisation doesn't compress the file it just lowers the volume to a set standard LUFS across board so worse and more compressed songs don't sound jarring playing right after good dynamic range having songs that have acceptable LUFS.
Please don't go around saying Normalisation reduces dynamic range.
Lemme link this wall of text:
Spotify goes into detail on this page - (https://artists.spotify.com/faq/mastering-and-loudness#can-users-adjust-the-levels-of-my-music) about what each setting does.
> When we receive your audio file, we transcode it to delivery formats Ogg/Vorbis and AAC. At the same time, we calculate the loudness level and store that information as metadata in the transcoded formats of your track.
> Playback levels are not adjusted when transcoding tracks. Tracks are delivered to the app with their original volume levels, and positive/negative gain compensation is only applied to a track while itโs playing. This gives users the option to adjust the Loudness Normalization if they want to.
> Negative gain is applied to louder masters so the loudness level is at ca - 14 dB LUFS. This process only decreases the volume in comparison to the master; no additional distortion occurs.
> Positive gain is applied to softer masters so that the loudness level is at ca - 14 dB LUFS. A limiter is also applied, set to engage at -1 dB (sample values), with a 5 ms attack time and a 100 ms decay time. This will prevent any distortion or clipping from soft but dynamic tracks.
> The gain is constant throughout the whole track, and calculated to match our desired output loudness level.
> Premium users can choose between the following volume normalization levels in their app settings:
> Loud - equalling ca -11 dB LUFS (+6 dB gain multiplied to ReplayGain)
> Normal (default) - equalling ca -14 dB LUFS (+3 dB gain multiplied to ReplayGain)
> Quiet - equalling ca - 23 dB LUFS (-5 dB gain multiplied to ReplayGain) This is to compensate for where playback isnโt loud enough (e.g. in a noisy environment) or dynamic enough (e.g. in a quiet environment).
Emphasis mine -- basically Spotify's system is just normalization in most cases, and only behaves as a compressor to prevent clipping. I suspect if you were to set it to the "Loud" setting you'd hit that behavior on some tracks but in general their approach seems like it'd be avoided. Personally I'd recommend users enable audio normalization and use the "Quiet" or "Normal" settings.
To directly answer your questions:
> Does Spotify's volume normalization use compression?
Yes, only if clipping is detected, and only for the duration that clipping occurs. Since tracks are lowered in volume when this feature is turned on this should be exceedingly rare that this happens.
> Why does Spotify (and the internet) say that dynamic range is most preserved on quiet normalization?
Since the compression only kicks in if clipping (or near clipping) is detected it's fairly unlikely to kick in on the normal setting. It's basically guaranteed to not happen on the quiet setting. It might kick in on some cases on the loud setting, but from their documentation it sounds like this might only happen if a track was super quiet to begin with.
So it only compresses if said track was mastered terribly with extremely loud LUFS... So a well mastered song is never hit with a dynamic range penalty... This is good as it has helped us move away from the era people used to brickwall their audio so their CDs sounded louder than other acts, thinking that will lead to more plays of their CDs. Nowadays if you fuck up your own mix, you're gonna get a volume level the same as songs mastered to tons of dynamic range and your track will end up sounding trash....
TLDR: Sorry for the long winding text but no Spotify doesn't touch the Dynamic range of a song. They just lower the volume so all songs on the platform have the same volume.
thebirdman9999 t1_jctenmm wrote
all good :) you seem to know much more than me on that subject, i was just sharing what most people are saying about it if i googled * spotify normalize volume *, results seems to point towards turning it off to have better sound quality most of the time on reddit and head-fi.
No-Context5479 t1_jctf04e wrote
That was debunked years ago by Spotify themselves and people verified that with ABX tests.
So I advice putting it back on and using Quiet or Normal. Really makes it easy on the ears for long listening sessions. Loud is not it at all for me... Cranks the volume which I'm trying to avoid anything beyond 75dB...
Also all good... We all are still learning in this space... Learned something new the other day about Vents and IEMs which I knew nothing of. ๐๐พ
thebirdman9999 t1_jctfvma wrote
I prefer to let it turned off, i dont feel the need to use it. the loudness level difference between tracks is really minor to me. i cant recall being surprised by a big change of loudness from one track to another but i know that it can happen sometimes, i guess im just lucky.
No-Context5479 t1_jctgabm wrote
Yeah I listen to a vast amount of genres who have their own "standard" industry LUFS. Classical tends to be the most dynamic rangefilled genre so their LUFS never gets beyond -14... Pop and other genres like electronic music who tend to crank their compression sometimes. A sudden change in songs is very audible and sometimes jarring so I never want to be overly distracted so smooth transitions all around... But I get you. Preferences, preferences ๐ค๐พ
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