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Location?

15 Oktober 1944, Aachen, Germany

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Aachen

Love how on the second "box" on the pilar there is the light spot that appears to be a bullet hit, can be seen in the now photo still.

The V&A museum, and some of the surrounding buildings, have retained the damage from the blitz. Always thought it's one of the best memorials to how close the war was to home. https://images.app.goo.gl/8ha1gi48G3RNV2qJ6

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How does one fight history?

By erasing it.

Photo is held too low 😖

Holy fantastic eye, batman! That's an awesome catch and awesome period as well. Thanks for pointing it out

Aachen, I think I have walked by that before in case you want to know exactly where I could habe a look around.

That's one high quality gate!

I stayed in an apartment near museum island in what was formerly east Berlin that still had all the bullet holes in it. Was crazy to see it every day going into the building and thinking about what all took place back then.

Hard to place... for you.

A lot of Museums and other buildings in Berlin have conserved these wounds as a memorial too. The Siegessäule in the Tiergarten for example.

blaze it

Amazing. Even look a like the same gates?

Looks like it

I bet the upper part of the water pipe is the same too

Are you ok?

You may be in the wrong ally

Some durable fucking gates

FYI too others who are impatient like me on mobile.

It's a gif.

Is 420 the address or Hitler’s birthday?

Straight to the top. The first German city taken by the Allies. Very intense urban combat. The Germans had a habit of hiding in and ambushing from basements— so Shermans would blast houses starting from the bottom and up floor after floor. One round was said to have gone through three houses before exploding in the fourth.

(Not so) fun fact: German civilians were afraid to evacuate to Cologne because there was a rumor that the Allies had dropped biological weapons there.

Aachen doesn't get much coverage, seeing the pic brought into frame made me very happy.

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And denying it, etc

https://maps.app.goo.gl/iygBNn6SCP3cpBy89?g_st=ic

That’s the gate you see on the picture. It’s in aachen at the Adalbersteinweg next to the Amtsgericht.

It’s aachen/Germany and that’s the exact location for sure!

https://maps.app.goo.gl/iygBNn6SCP3cpBy89?g_st=ic

Anybody who would like to know the exact location: https://maps.app.goo.gl/iygBNn6SCP3cpBy89?g_st=ic

It’s Adalbersteinweg 88, 52070 Aachen

Is there a sub for pictures like this? War time pictures and current day locations.

I see 420! Is this where I could score some weed?

/r/oldphotosinreallife

Similar in Freiburg. The old university buildings still show plenty of bullet holes. Not necessarily from fighting though, but from liberation. French and American soldiers didn't bother to get ladders to remove Nazi symbols from the facades, they simply erased them with gun fire.

Not focused on war, but r/oldphotosinreallife

By signing up for hist1302 and defeating the teacher.

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Many places in Germany still have bullet holes. Not because they couldn't fix it, but as a reminder. The Parliament building even has them behind glass.

Couple examples: https://www.berlin.de/kultur-und-tickets/fotos/stadtleben/6162891-1852685.gallery.html?page=1

Also fun fact: Berlin has a couple of hills. These weren't there before the war. They are made from the rubble of what used to be Berlin. One of them used to be a flak tower and at the top a part of that tower is still exposed. If you dig down a bit in pretty much any hill, you find bricks after a couple centimeters. https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gro%C3%9Fer_Bunkerberg

It's one entrance to the city's court building I believe

Does anyone know how common it was for Americans to just pick up MG42s? The M1919 with the tripod must have been hell carrying around. The MG42 was probably 10 lbs lighter

My grandpa was there, he told me about once. He said they would move in small groups and throw a grenade down the cellar stairs first when clearing houses. He rarely talked about the war because of PTSD, the stories he told me about fighting in Germany were intense, close up brutal combat.

They literally don't make stuff like they used to. The house we rent is just about 100 years old and the chain link fence posts are original. The clay (!) pipes that run the sewer to the municipal system only failed 3 years ago.

(I'm glad we rent a hundred year old house because that fix cost our landlord like 30K lol)

This gave me chills.

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No way! I literally walked down that street earlier this year!

Graffiti

Probably not common. Needed different ammo and you need training for each guns peculiarities.

Yeah fuck history, glad we put up a fight against their regime!

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https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulaner_(Berg) Mont Klamott/Insulaner, just added this because I love this name.

Plenty on Brandenburg gate!

They actually issued field manuals for the use of captured enemy weapons. The use of the weapon would assume the ammo is captured also.

Powerful... I hope for no more war.

After the occupation their mayor was assassinated by a werewolf commando. Their aim was to make Germans afraid to collaborate with the Allies but this stands out as one of the few actual, successful missions they undertook.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Oppenhoff

One of my favourite factoids about Aachen is how the Nazis tried to remove the enormous bronze gates of the Aachen cathedral (cast around the year 800), among other relics, to get them out of allied hands. But the gates were too well built in and they had to give up.

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There are a lot of reasons why they don't make it that way anymore and what you see standing is survivorship bias. Dollars, life of building, and cost of life all play into the changes. Construction used to have formulas for how many people would die per $1,000 spent on different types of construction.

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Or the flip side. Take a terrible history and change and grow, like Germany.

Imagine if we had markers for every place someone died. That'd be wild.

Some things are changed, but wow. That’s kinda unreal.

Your grandfather took part in a historically significant battle. White phosphorus grenades and flamethrowers were also used. The allies used AP rounds to shoot through floors and ceilings and would make a dash to the top floor of a building and work their way down— forcing the Germans into a basement. The allies found it safer to shoot bazooka rounds and use explosives to blast entryways known as "mouse holing". This lesson was learned and applied later by soldiers engaged in urban combat in Vietnam— even today as noted in the Baghdadi compound raid.

The German force holding the city was about 18,000 strong. Some of the personnel used as infantry were originally Kriegsmarine intended to crew U-boats (funny how history rhymes, given the use of Navy crews by Russia).

I feel like as a sole civilian person, may not be a great idea to go digging straight down in berlin.

Does your second paragraph imply that these could be civilians who were hiding in the basements when houses were blasted?

I love seeing these kinds of things. Does anyone know if there’s a subreddit or an Instagram account that posts these historical/modern comparisons?

That is really interesting. Speaking of the werewolf teams, which I believe were the idea of Otto Skorzeny (I could be wrong), there were a few instances where allies found cables strung across the road intended as a trap for jeep crews. This lead to them placing posts at the front of the jeep such as this one.

With the exceptions of geothermal, tidal, and wave energy, all forms of energy we use are just deferred solar.

Is there a way to contribute money to posting photo plaques where historical pictures were taken?

I'd pay $10 to see that photo be posted on a plaque on that wall right there.

/r/historicaloverlays

From what I've read, the Germans prior to the battle had pulled civilians out starting with children. It was noted that they simply dropped a bunch of kids off just east outside of the city. They later rushed in and began escorting out elderly and women— who were horrified to see the soldiers immediately fortifying their houses with concrete and such as they were escorted out.

That's not to say there weren't civilians left in the city. It's interesting to note that Hitler had ordered the evacuation of the city because he suspected the population preferred American occupation because allied bombing would cease. Generalleutenant Gerhard Graf von Schwerin had paused the evacuation and appealed to the allies to treat the populace "mercifully". Word got out to Hitler that he did this and ordered him arrested— but surprisingly forgave him later. As far as I know, the Germans resumed the evacuation of civilians and that it was enforced pretty "harshly".

420 Smoking Barrel

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I saw the victory column earlier this year! The tower itself is really cool, but preserving the damage to the tower felt very symbolic and made me try to imagine where the projectiles came from. Same at the Brandenburg gate, though I mostly only saw small arms fire

Good idea to take down the massive lamp post that would have been in their way first, to be fair.

I'm fairly positive this was the battle where the Americans had to use a 155mm self-propelled gun to knock out German positions inside large, old buildings. The Sherman's 75/76mm guns couldn't penetrate the thick stone facades, so they resorted to open-sight artillery instead. The Germans were pretty pissed about it's use and wanted the practice to be outlawed.

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Don't fight history, history always wins.

At least it used to.

I wish there was a subreddit for content like this. I absolutely love these.

Wild

You are correct! Here is a M12 Gun Motor Carriage in action in Aachen.

I am having a hard time finding the quote (so take it with a grain of salt), but I recall a German commander in Aachen saying something along the lines of "when the Americans begin to use artillery as sniper fire— you have lost."

Imagine when ar glasses become mainstream and you could relive history as you travel

With a machine gun, clearly

Not so much with housing because the materials and approach to building have changed and that has had a very real impact on longevity (older houses are not over-engineered as such, but they did tend to be built out of heavier/more solid materials because the alternatives didn't exist and using far more labour intensive approaches). That still leads to issues but they tend to be different.

Take UK housing stock, a 100 year old house is not particularly unusual (about 25% of the total stock), most is more than 60 years old. Many of those 100 year old houses are built from solid engineering brick, actual stone, have stone lintels, joists tend to be far thicker/larger than they would be if built now to support thicker/heavier wooden floor boards than would be the norm now too, albeit not as well finished. You'll likely still have a slate roof and heavier rafters to support it. They have/had lime plaster on the walls, lath and plaster ceilings etc.. And would have had internal plumbing/gas/electricity retrofitted at some point in the last 60 years.

That means that the structures tend to be incredibly solid (until someone tries to take out a chimney and fails to support things properly etc..), but also have lots of rough edges, walls aren't quite parallel, nothing is level, insulation (beyond the plaster and ceilings) is poor because the expectation was that the house would need to breathe and would have open fires internally..

Newer builds on the other hand tend to be built using a minimum of material, and using processes that are as light on labour as possible. You have far more complex materials involved, and plumbing, wiring and so on are embedded. The downside of that is that things can go wrong quickly when they do, weathering can be pretty catastrophic, a roof might be expected to last 15-25 years rather than 50-100 years for example, but broadly there is simply less room for wear before it becomes a problem.

There is probably a sweet spot (in the UK at the moment it's likely a 60's built semi/detached house) that balances a decent finish with a solid structure.

If anything, this didn't need to be a gif. A still frame would've been fine.

/r/historicaloverlays

My stepdad has an 8500²ft house that was built by a super rich person in the mid 1800's. As soon as you walk in there's a gigantic handmade custom ornate winding wooden hardwood varnished staircase going upstairs (looks like it would have taken months to carve) and the dining room looks like a cathedral with the same hardwood forming squares coming down from the 15ft ceiling ceiling with decorative cloth between each one and a huge hand carved 14 person table in the middle. It even has a maid's quarters upstairs on the third floor and there's little hidden hallways built so the maids could bring food straight from the kitchen to the dining room without using the main door. It's crazy to me that the house is valued at like 40k, the inside is absolutely beautiful and has like 6 fireplaces with custom themed rooms like "the oriental room" and "the trophy room" with tons of old exotic taxidermied animals all over the walls with a poker table in the middle. Used to love getting drunk and exploring all over there but he gave it to his son and got a smaller house with my mom so I haven't been inside in a while

I’ve heard from a few veteran friends of mine say that they don’t talk about war, not because of the trauma, but because of the way their friends and family look at them as if they are either damaged or heartless afterwards.

It's weird describing combat to someone who hasn't been there. I don't need comforting, I just get strange looks when I describe things I've done or what I was thinking of doing.

I don't think they were fighting history

When my Grandpa told me about it, it was just kind of out of nowhere. I had just finished doing some plumbing work at his house and he was writing me a check for the supplies, and just started telling me stories about the war. He just had a thousand mile stare and you could tell he could see these events replaying in his head as he told them to me. He told me about killing men from only feet away, and how he covered himself in debris as a German tank rolled over a trench he was in, he said he was shot at directly from an 88. He said everyone he fought alongside was killed, he spent 32 days in front line combat and collapsed from battle fatigue. He said he woke up in a hospital in Paris and cried tears of joy to be out of that hell.

There’s no need. And proficiency wouldn’t be nearly as good, regardless of manuals.

FWIW, tripods are much better than bipods.

If you’re gonna do this at least match it up

It's inherently difficult to pick up on bias so I appreciate when it's pointed out

It seems like it's pretty common for people that do horrible things when they're in wartime conditions for a long time.

I suspect that a lot of police officers in the United States have a similar thing going on; a kind of PTSD from dealing with violent people regularly.

Do you have any thoughts about that? I'd be curious for your opinion since you have actual experience of this and I don't.

I went on a walking tour of Amsterdam where the tour guide had a bunch of pics like this. The biggest contrast was in Dam Square, there was a Dutch KSB recruiting office with SS lightning bolts on top of the half circle windows, and when he lowered the photo to show us what it looked like today, it was an H&M.

I don’t think you can compare police officers in the us to soldiers in war. The media and our society in general makes being a police officer seem like a much more dangerous job than it actually is. Sure the threat is there and that is worthy of respect for their willingness to take that risk but in nyc at least something like 95% of officers will go their entire career without ever having to fire a shot. Part of why officers are rarely punished for shooting someone is precisely because it happens so rarely that they’re not expected to really know how to handle the situation. No amount of training is going to adequately prepare you for how you’ll react to a threat on your life when adrenaline takes over

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The opposite of what the Japanese did. I have a lot of respect for the German people taking responsibility and being so vigilant against fascist ideology today. If something similar to the Holocaust happens again, it certainly won’t originate in Germany.

Fighters trying to oust the Dutch from Indonesia (1940s) used the same trick. Lots of beheadings happened because usually the front windows were kept collapsed. Fun fact: thé Indonesians won freedom after 300 years of colonial rule and Sukarno became its president.

You can buy and build stuff today that will outlast this millenium.

Are you ready to pay for it tho?

>werewolf commando

Heh. I was doing some quick reading about them, and they were trained at Schloss Hülchrath. If you go to their current website (the castle, not the werewolves lol) - and use Google translate - you get this greeting:

>Schloss Hülchrath is the perfect place for your celebration. As soon as you enter this extraordinary event location, you will not be able to escape the fascination of the history of bygone times. The desire to discover more is awakened and rewarded.

I know it's a tiny skid mark on the history of that castle, but I still chuckled at the unfortunate context of that when I looked it up.

There are hundreds of not thousands of houses in this area of my (very old) city that date back to the 1920s (rebuilding after the Halifax explosion). Most streets are all original to that decade; there is the odd new build but due to things like fire or neglect. I wouldn't call it survivorship bias. There's easily three times more construction material in houses of this era than new prefabs.

Hearing stories like these really helps understand why they always thought us grandkids are soft. We were all born in the long summer.

I am not a combat veteran, but I have been forward deployed in the Navy. If it's hard for me to explain what happens during a deployment to friends and loved ones, holy fucking shit... I can't imagine how hard it would be for an actual combat vet to talk about it.

Agree 100%. I live in Halifax (the Canadian one!) which is on the short list of oldest Canadian cities. There is 6-7 square kilometers of residential development where I live that was all built in the 1920s-1930s and over 95% of them are still standing, many with renovations and add-ons over the years. Including my own; it was reno'd in the 70s or early 80s and it's... very apparent which sections are built cheaper.

Also agreed on the 1950s-1960s builds. A friend has a house from the mid 50s in a subdivision about 10km from here and it's a very well built house. Not as overbuilt as mine but from an era of cheap lumber, before plywood became common in residential construction. It's the perfect middleground and is what my partner and I are looking for in a house when we buy... if we can get over the 60s asthetics of most of those builds

That’s the one!

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That really is just like the old COD campaign haha.

It‘s at the Kaiserplatz, isn‘t it? Lived in Aachen for 10 years and think I recognize this house.

I think you mean "where history has been made".

Not sure I've ever heard of anyone getting into a fight with history, besides revisionists that is XD

Thank you! Very interesting.

Born in a long summer in some ways. Though in other ways we face threats just as existential/ if not more so, more complex, and with no escape in sight, and things just keep getting worse. No war can solve what we face now.

We have to rely on the dwindling political will in our polarized and eroding democracy. A young electorate that is tough and hardworking, and better educated than ever, yet understandably disenchanted and depressed / anxious about the state of our democracy and the world.

News outlets that peddle fear over truth. A global pandemic. Fascism rearing its ugly head on our own home turf, in our lifetimes, along with treasonous actions from our own elected leaders. Monopolies and conglomerates that have eroded both policy and the free market - including pharma, healthcare, and health insurance. A climate disaster hundreds of years in the making.

This is the coolest thing I’ve seen today.

Why were they fighting history tho

Well I think it varies in different locations. Areas with deep poverty have a lot more violence than other places.

But otherwise PTSD doesn't come from drawing your gun out of its holster.

It doesn't even come necessarily from violence happening to you.

It comes from being in situations where you fear for your life.

Cops who work very poor and violent neighborhoods are experiencing that everyday.

Trust me, I've lived in neighborhoods where gunshots were a daily occurrence, and even automatic rifles could be heard occasionally. It scared me just to hear it, and I'm not even the one getting the phone call to go check it out every time it happens. That's what cops have to do.

As usual I'm going to get downvoted for daring to suggest that maybe cops could use some empathy.

Unfortunately, the only way to improve human beings is to first empathize and understand what's actually on their plate.

The idea that cops are just this special breed of bad human beings, is stupid. And as long as that is the predominant belief system, nothing will ever change. There will just be this feud that never ends and hurts all of us.

My Grandfather never talked about it either. He did have his scotch and smokes every day though.

It’s crazy how we as people fight like this. We all live on the same damn planet. It is what it is I guess.

Clearly not the same spot since there's no 4205 in the picture

This would be a terrible idea:

• The crews are not trained on the MG42 and they definitively would not have had the possible many years of muscle memory build crewing the M1919
• Adding foreign weapons to squads on the assault would complicate resupply logistics to the detriment of the speed of the assault
• Most importantly, firing a very recognizably sounding MG like the MG42 would turn you into a magnet for friendly fire, including mortars and tank rounds.

10 posts total over 2 years, yet for some reason people are recommending this sub.

10 posts total over 2 years, yet for some reason people are recommending this sub.

When you get pissed enough and just want to end the battle yet make a statement.

That’s prety emotional, thank you for sharing!!

Where the freedom braveries.

If it gives you any hope those tough, hardworking, better educated people you mentioned are coming up with a ton of potential solutions to climate change - better renewables, better batteries, more efficient tech and more efficient systems. Even without international cooperation scientists around the world are dragging us off the precipice of a climate catastrophe.

Which is not to say the climate won’t change, or that people won’t be harmed during this process, but it is being mitigated. As a fantastic cherry on top the United States passed an enormous climate change hill that has already inspired huge investments in the green revolution. The world tends to follow American trends, and with only a few exceptions voters around the world are demanding their politicians take part in the solution.

Though I do foresee the possibility of great and terrible times ahead, I do not think they are inevitable, probable or even likely unless we let some of these bad actors use law and politics to wipe away our gains (aka Americans can fuck it up if they give too much power to Republicans, as that party is currently constituted). Humanity is pushing forward through these stormy times. Try not to despair, that which is good in this word is not yet lost, not nearly, and billions of your fellow humans are fighting to keep it, improve it and thrive.

IMO, it's overkill how they try and be as vigilante as you say. Lot's of contextual reasons led to Hitler's rise as the fuhrer and while he maintained his ardent supports the populace as a whole likely started regretting it and he also seized power, really.

They were initially downtrodden, humiliated and stifled by clauses from Treaty Versailles and someone came to them claiming birth right cultural and heritage pride and to be prosperous once again, to be fair it sounded good. I'm not an apologist, well, actually I might be for most of the people, it happens to the best of us and will again too.

The US was known for incredibly rapid, widespread, and accurate use of artillery in WW2. The Soviets might have taken a half hour to line up artillery after it's been requested for defensive support fire (to their credit, the Eastern Front was vastly larger than the Western, and they had less industrial capacity than the US), and the Germans maybe 15 minutes. Because of extensive planning work and the most incredible feats of logistics work in history, the US could do it in 2 minutes, sometimes as low as 30 seconds.

Stuttgart has one too, they are often called Monte Scherbelino.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schuttberg

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Glad you're enjoying it

You go put this up on /r/wwIIpics right now!

We're arrogant enough to assume this is only in the past.

I am not from the US, but from the outside the population have a terrible relationship with the police. Going by reddit it appears they recieve no respect, which is nescessary for them to be an affective force.

Oldphotosinreallife

Wow, I was there about three weeks ago. Beautiful Christmas market in the old town square. I was looking around at the buildings and I notices the limestone frame around the doors of old buildings have bullet holes in them.

Kinda shocking when you're standing there and realized what happened.

It's a wonderful town BTW.

Or maybe they’re not an English speaker?

Interesting. I had never heard about this before. Reminds me a little of the Rommelspargel (Rommel's asparagus). War makes for odd sights.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rommel%27s_asparagus

Well you're very knowledgeable about this aren't you!?

I never said or even implied that they are bad people. Sure I know that sentiment is popular on reddit but that’s not at all the point I was trying to make.

And your points above about the inner city officers. That’s because their departments have failed them by never rotating them out of that environment. Those officers need to spend time in an area with less criminal activity to avoid the problem of seeing all citizens as criminals.

All of our problems with the police could be solved internally but the problem is both sides see themselves as being attacked. In some circumstances that seems justified but we seem to have gone away from the days where officers of the law were tasked with serving the commmunity and are now in the mindset of its us against them.

Oh my God, enough WW2 posts!

It's weird because many people have this "idea" in their head of what combat or fighting is, but in reality it's basically nothing like that. Try describing being stuck up halfway up on a massive hillside in a valley taking shots from enemy like 400 meters away on the opposite hill trying to hit you with their irons while you move around and also return fire in the slowest process known to man. People think of combat as some sort of "yeah you see the guy and then you shoot him and then it's over and you win!" They don't realize it's like a half an hour process that feels like 5 hours while you awkwardly maneuver around what somehow always seems to be the most cluttered area of your life and then suddenly it's "over."

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Boy, that gate held up pretty well.

I would still lose. My 102 teacher was a fucking beast.

Love hearing these stories God bless him!!

Ah yes, the war on history! It rages on to this day

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It's pretty hard to tell whether you're buying a high quality property, because the things which determine longevity are not obvious. Even if you could, house prices are so expensive that there is enormous pressure to build cheap, so you're unlikely to be able to find it readily. Hence you're not just paying for the actual cost of building a longer-lasting building, but also the cost of competing for a limited supply of them.

it's not like large numbers of 100-year-old houses in the places we're talking about have been destroyed (through natural processes - we're not talking about whether buildings can survive a bomb blast).

You can't have a survivorship bias if the vast majority of things from the population survived.

Count me out, that would be creepy as hell

Ayy, my hometown. Actually recognized it because of the Grafitti.

Before they held up the photo, I thought they'd show the Gulag😂

Then write an easier title? I like when people correct my grammar on the internet as it helps me to not come off as an idiot in the real world conversation.

if you think jan 6 and infowars is as bad as (if not worse) than WW2 you really need to turn off MSNBC and touch grass

Well, guess it's true what they say - men win battles, but logistics win wars.

This is fascinating and gave me chills.

Are those Nazis in the photograph?

If yes, were they Wehrmacht or Waffen-SS?

The 2 world histories

ITS THE SAME GATE TOO

Lmao didn't expect to see my street on Reddit today

This made me suddenly emotional.

I replaced a municipal clay pipe juncture in North Dakota years back, to make a bigger pipeline tie in, and it was much older. In fact it was pretty damn close to the train yard. If it was buried and made properly the clay pipe shouldn't have failed so soon in the first place, yours was a shoddier example to use.

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Those are definitely allied soldiers

It's hard to talk about because it seems absolutely ridiculous to most people. The only people you can honestly talk about with are other war veterans.

This could be a whole subreddit

Yep, I thought it was a picture with a "420" reference I didn't understand so I backed out before seeing it was in r/gifs

Thank you for this message :) the Inflation Reduction Act was huge for green energy investment + I'm glad we're moving towards more renewables and EVs. No sense in despairing and we must keep working hard and moving forward!

That's not what I was saying at all, silly goose :) happy holidays & keep warm

Many years ago, a terminally ill patient of my ex gave her his A4 notebook/ sketchbook of his combat experiences, and I had a look through it.

He had fought at Monte Cassino, there were pen-and-ink sketches of his comrades sheltering in some of the ruins or a tank going over the rubble, and things like that. He showed it to my ex because he said his family weren't interested in it and would just throw it away once he had died, I think she did give it back to him in the end but i suggested he offered it to the Imperial War Museum. I hope it did get preserved.

Ripley Castle in North Yorkshire still has musket ball holes visible in one wall from when Oliver Cromwell had some prisoners shot after the battle of Marston Moor in 1644.

I did that in highschool