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ASK_IF_IM_PENGUIN t1_j01kxid wrote

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No, in chicken farms they quite often put male chicks straight into a grinder.

Not joking.

Don't watch if you're squeamish: https://youtu.be/4KnThuKaAVY

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Omnibeneviolent t1_j02djs6 wrote

Slight correction -- this is what happens in hatcheries for egg-laying chickens. The males are considered useless, so they are killed on their first day of life. When you pay for eggs, this is what you are demanding with your money. Time to stop eating eggs.

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Vincent210 t1_j02kwab wrote

This is a larger indictment than of just eggs.

Frankly, people shouldn’t have to proverbially chase the industries they buy basic groceries and things to live from with a camera and a stick to catch endless human rights abuses and organize universal boycotts all on their own.

That is absolute insanity - most people in America, a big ol’ consumer country for these kinds of industries, are living paycheck to paycheck and can’t drum up $1000 bucks for an emergency.

Those are the people who are responsible for, and have to do the legwork for, stopping this grinder?

Thats a great way to ensure it never stops grinding chicks. There needs to be top-down enforced consequences for unethical behavior in industry.

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Omnibeneviolent t1_j02o5px wrote

Why not both?

There will never be top-down action so long as it remains profitable and people just see it as an acceptable thing they feel ok paying for.

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Help----me----please t1_j03w2nl wrote

Why is "some people can't do it" always the default response? Think if you can do it and if you can, do it. Ofc a systemic solution would be better, but it has nothing to do with you personally contributing to something unethical. This is just deflection.

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DarkSkyKnight t1_j02dyqc wrote

This is one of the most ethical ways of killing male chicks as the grinders are fast enough they would only be conscious of their deaths for a very short time.

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Omnibeneviolent t1_j02nsuz wrote

An extremely painful "very short time." They often are bounced around on the blades for a second as well, getting all cut up more and more with every bounce.

Would you be ok with this or something similar being done to you, a dog, cat, etc.. as long as it was quick?

This might be slightly less un-ethical than other methods, but it's still far from ethical.

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Schadek t1_j02jhnt wrote

Doing a horrible thing in the 'most ethical way' is still doing a horrible thing. Don't try to justify the unnecessary mass killing of animals, please.

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ChrisTR15 t1_j02nwmq wrote

If it isn't necessary, what would you suggest doing with all the male chicks?

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Omnibeneviolent t1_j02z8m9 wrote

The entire situation is not necessary. It's not necessary to eat eggs. If you stop paying for them, you stop demanding for this to happen.

You don't have to do anything with chicks that don't exist.

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ChrisTR15 t1_j03oemi wrote

But in all reality, that's not ever going to happen.

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Omnibeneviolent t1_j03ru8x wrote

Not if you think about it from the top-down -- it seems like it's making no difference. But if you think about it from the bottom up, it's making a huge difference.

It reminds me of the boy and the starfish story:

>One day a man was walking along the beach, when he noticed a boy hurriedly picking up and gently throwing things into the ocean.

>Approaching the boy, he asked, “Young man, what are you doing?”

>The boy replied, “Throwing starfish back into the ocean. The surf is up and the tide is going out. If I don’t throw them back, they’ll die.”

>The man laughed to himself and said, “Don’t you realize there are miles and miles of beach and hundreds of starfish? You can’t make any difference!”

>After listening politely, the boy bent down, picked up another starfish, and threw it into the surf. Then, smiling at the man, he said, “I made a difference to that one.”

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yourmomlurks t1_j030mxd wrote

0.4% of the us is vegan but 100% of reddit.

And I say this as a person who has chickens. This all or nothing attitude is so polarizing it thwarts progress.

I have killed many chickens with my own two hands for many reasons including food and mercy. Come back when you have first hand experience.

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Omnibeneviolent t1_j03copl wrote

"I say this as a person who owns dogs for dog fighting. This all or nothing attitude when it comes to dog fighting is so polarizing it thwarts progress. I have forced so many dogs to fight to the death. Come back when you have first hand experience."

This is what you sound like.

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yourmomlurks t1_j041ai8 wrote

Dog fighting and eating chickens are not the same.

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Omnibeneviolent t1_j045wtg wrote

I haven't claimed they are. It's the reasoning that is the same in both scenarios.

Volcanoes and geysers are not the same, but there are still similarities between them from which we can draw comparisons.

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