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tatakatakashi t1_iupgvda wrote

How are other animals able to fall distances many times their own height and be chill but I trip on stairs and am in quite a bit of pain??

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Doomquill t1_iuq44q9 wrote

There's multiple reasons, from lower mass leading to fewer injuries when falling to different shapes being more robust.

Possibly the biggest one relevant to us is that human bodies aren't built to take a fall. We are great apes, but we descended from the trees a long time ago, and our body shape has changed dramatically to adapt to our vertical, ground-running lifestyle. We are incredibly well adapted to run long distances, actually ludicrous distances by animal standards. We're persistence predators; before we invented sharp sticks we killed things by just running behind them until they died of exhaustion, then carrying the corpse back home.

Also it should be noted that that fall probably did hurt the orangutan, but what's he gonna do? Lie down and whine about it? Most animals even when badly hurt will try to get back up immediately because injury often means danger, predators, and you gotta get your ass out of there and lick your wounds somewhere safe.

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Shadow_of_wwar t1_iuq606t wrote

We tend to show our pain, as social animals if one of us is hurt, hopefully someone will help. If you are not as social as us, showing pain or injury just means preditors will single you out.

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tazai123 t1_iuqlpob wrote

It should be noted that persistence hunting has little to no actual evidence. It’s just caught on on the internet and it sounds plausible so people share it.

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paulusmagintie t1_iuqohm0 wrote

There is a video of a tribe still doing it.

So lack of evidence? If video doesn't count of evidence then i don't know what to tell you.

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tazai123 t1_iuqonpd wrote

I’m sorry but I really cannot explain it to you adequately, nor do I have the patience to do so. However, I would highly recommend reading into it! A lot of people assume that persistence hunting was something humans regularly engaged in and had high success with even though it’s really only hypotheses. Such is not the case.

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paulusmagintie t1_iuqp749 wrote

Im gonna make this simple since you gave me a "fuck you" answer.

We had to chase on foot, we had pointy sticks (eventually as we where not born with the knowledge to make them) and we are still here as a species so what we did must have worked.

Since you have no evidence other than (not sure it happened on the regular) suggests it did happen some times AND it doesn't explain how we hunted without weapons.

So imma stick with video evidence rather than a couple studies without evidence because they cannot find evidence of people running (not suprising really).

Also hunters likely had to chase prey to corner it before throwing spears or chase a wounded animal, so yes chasing would have been a large part of hunting, like treking through a forest looking for something to shoot.

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KingoftheMongoose t1_iur2av7 wrote

Downvotes for you all for this pointless argument!

Pushes both y'all off tree platform

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tazai123 t1_iuqpeca wrote

Not sure how you got that out of my answer. I openly stated that I am incapable of telling it to you properly and that I lack the proper patience to do so. I was just suggesting that you look into it because I find it pretty interesting, and I feel that most people have some misconceptions on the topic. Cheers though.

Edit: Let me be clear I’m not saying persistence hunting is not real. I’m just saying that the idea most people get of simply running behind an animal for a long time is not exactly the right idea.

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lipp79 t1_iuspvmw wrote

I mean you're the one making the claim but telling someone else to provide your evidence. You should be the one backing up your claim and not just saying "I don't have the patience so you do my research".

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KingoftheMongoose t1_iur2c6l wrote

Downvotes for you all for this pointless argument!

Pushes both y'all off tree platform

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Cecil_FF4 t1_iur6jy3 wrote

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Louis-Liebenberg/publication/260135266_Persistence_Hunting_by_Modern_Hunter-Gatherers/links/00b7d52fb7081eabac000000/Persistence-Hunting-by-Modern-Hunter-Gatherers.pdf

https://cybertracker.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Liebenberg-2008-Relevance-of-Persistence-Hunting.pdf

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Charles-Hall-12/publication/317753223_Evolutionary_Implications_of_Persistence_Hunting_An_Examination_of_Energy_Return_on_Investment_for_Kung_Hunting/links/5dbc7549299bf1a47b0a314e/Evolutionary-Implications-of-Persistence-Hunting-An-Examination-of-Energy-Return-on-Investment-for-Kung-Hunting.pdf

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Doomquill t1_iuqsmwl wrote

Facts? This is the internet! [Insert T'Challa "we don't do that here" meme]

Thanks for reminding me to check my knowledge before regurgitation. I first heard of persistence hunting in a college class but there's no more reason (well, not much more anyway) to believe some random college professor than the internet without actual research :-)

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PepeTheElder t1_iut30jx wrote

> before we invented sharp sticks we killed things by just running behind them until they died of exhaustion, then carrying the corpse back home.

Sharpening sticks for food almost certainly predated bipedalism for our ancestors, as chimps have the behavior, and bipedalism is what makes us World’s #1 Exhaustion Hunter

Bipedalism made us able to both throw sharpened sticks and run more efficiently, so you can’t even say exhaustion hunting predated spear hunting, they most likely evolved in tandem

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A_mad_goose t1_iupungu wrote

Most small animals don’t have a high terminal velocity because of there size, but I’m guessing this orangutan is just in significantly better shape.

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hamilton280P t1_iuqzmvs wrote

The orangutan is more athletic and has better reflexes. In a split second he caught the beam below to break his fall. Pretty sick

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Gonergonegone t1_iur6d91 wrote

Because our evolution put every goddamn point we had into intelligence, not strength.

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tatakatakashi t1_iur85xo wrote

We really are smart aren’t we

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Gonergonegone t1_iur9aws wrote

Oh yeah. Anytime I hear people say humans are stupid, i like to remind them that we literally figured out how to capture energy from invisible sources. We're super intelligent and that's why we're the top of the animal kingdom. At the end of the day though, we're just smart animals.

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