Axthen OP t1_iybtagy wrote on November 30, 2022 at 5:43 AM

Reply to comment by send_me_tiddies in Come on guys. Play it. (And the predecessor. Coliseum. Best pokemon games out there.) by Axthen

In this case, it’s not “hate” - it’s disappointment.

Coliseum and Gale of Darkness were amazing departures from “child of broken home catches pokemon to fight 8 gyms and elite 4.”

Also for it’s time, Coliseum and GoD looked amazing, whereas SV can’t even compare to BOTW, a game made for the Wii U.

They’re fine games, but score low bars for innovation, creativity, design, execution, and personality. Among others.

Ocelote934 t1_iycm0on wrote on November 30, 2022 at 12:07 PM

it's just poteman's. Relax.

Master_Maniac t1_iybvcd1 wrote on November 30, 2022 at 6:06 AM

I'm not arguing that XD and Colosseum weren't great, because they were. Loved them as a kid. However, they aren't mainline games either.

Yes, for their time, they looked fantastic. No mainline pokemon game has looked as great as it possibly could. Game Freak is known for that. Iirc, GF didn't make colo and XD.

I'll give you the framerate issues. They're not nearly as bad as everyone says in my experience (I've beaten violet), but still an inconvenience.

They did change the gameplay loop in SV, though. The whole gyms thing is a stepping stone across the main story. Having more major objectives than the standard 8 gym quest was a bit refreshing to me, and way less grindy. Difficulty was in a good spot for casual play too. Considering how fans were foaming at the mouth over other games (sun and moon), I can't blame them for returning to the tried and true formula and expanding rather than scrapping.

Fucking designs though. I know GF has been out of ideas since gen 1, but this is the first mainline game where I hated all of the starters. Their base forms were cute and all, but the evolved forms were painful to look at (despite some neat signature moves).

blazingciary t1_iyc7qlr wrote on November 30, 2022 at 8:50 AM

Just to clarify Gamefreak doesn't make the designs. Creatures inc. does. Regardless they aren't running out of ideas since Gen 1. Every generation has great designs. Every generation has poor designs. Even gen 1. And regardless, you should listen to Professor Hassel. You cannot define beauty. it's a personal thing. Arts 101. What you think is a poor design might be great for someone else.

Speaking of, I get that you don't like the starters. That's not so much bad design as personal preference. I had the same in Gen 6 and Gen 8. I like them a lot in SV. Even the humanoid ones.