fenrir245 t1_j5z7uuf wrote
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This guy really thought this and this are equally sharp.
Damn, no wonder you can't tell the difference between matte and glossy sharpness.
> "Subjectively, the panel offers excellent picture quality because even bright surfaces do not look grainy despite the matte coating."
Did you ever try to read the full sentence?
DESPITE THE MATTE COATING
Oh golly gee, I wonder why they needed to make that distinction, that too on literally every laptop with a matte panel.
> Subpixel array photos do not reflect actual graininess. I have never conceded that point, nor will I. You are the only one riding on it here.
> So now I'm supposed to argue points that go against my own claim and experience? Do you even know how arguments work?
Exactly lol. Simple physics dictates a grainier screen will have grainier subpixels by definition. There's no panel in the world that looks grainy but has completely sharp subpixels under a microscope.
You keep claiming all screens are matte by default, hence matte shouldn't have an effect on the graininess. And yet, you haven't managed to produce one matte screen that can match the sharpness of glossy panels, let alone exceed them in sharpness.
But then again you literally can't tell the difference, so you're incapable of arguing anything in the first place.
> They say that for literally every display that isn't a phone display with 500+ nit brightness. Try someone who doesn't know their lingo inside and out lmao. It's very clear from the photo that the display looks excellent outdoors.
So does the Macbook Air, so I guess matte doesn't do shit regarding reflections?
> Of course, it doesn't sit well with you to just admit it's as clear as the ones you've linked, there has to be a defect...
Yeah, only person who would claim that would be someone with very bad eyesight, someone who never bothered to open my links, or someone deliberately trolling. It's like saying 720p is equally sharp as 4k.
> No, sorry. "Sharpness" is determined only by resolution, and "perceived vibrancy" is snake oil.
Lol, that's why the Eve 4k with glossy was more sharp than the one with matte? One 4k was different resolution from other 4k?
Sharpness is determined by a lot of things, and the graininess of the screen coating is one of them.
You're scraping the bottom of the barrel there, buddy.
And as for "perceived" being snakeoil, diffused light is the same thing as non diffused light, eh?
Lol, do you even know how those metrics are measured? By literally sealing the display area being measured to prevent ambient light leakage.
By your logic setting the colorimeter 5 feet away from the display will give the exact same readings. Some "facts".
> The same "literally anyone" who tried to convince me that 1080p at 24" is "totally enough" and there's no point in trying to get a rare 1440p 24" monitor to increase actual sharpness? Yeah, I'll totally listen to those people.
And who exactly is claiming that? Making up arguments because no real ones available?
And as for your laughable "dug your own grave":
You: All panels are matte by default!!! Glossy is just layer over matte!!!
Article: Matte or glossy depends on the treatment of polarizer layer.
You: See I was right!!! You dug your own grave!!!
Looks like along with poor eyesight your also got poor reading comprehension, and in the end all you could do to salvage it is to say some matte screens are light enough to reach somewhat close to glossy screens, lol.
EDIT: Oh yeah, weren't you claiming "perception" was snake oil? Got on that train very quick when you found "light matte" is close to glossy in that regard lol.
VengefulAncient t1_j61dsqj wrote
> This guy really thought this and this are equally sharp.
Hello? That's the whole point? You are the one banging on about "perceived" things - here is Notebookcheck, telling you that despite how the subpixel array looks, the image is not grainy. But that's not convenient for your argument, is it?
> DESPITE THE MATTE COATING
So? People love sticking to established lingo even if it's wrong.
> And yet, you haven't managed to produce one matte screen that can match the sharpness of glossy panels, let alone exceed them in sharpness.
I did, but you ignored it because it's inconvenient.
> So does the Macbook Air, so I guess matte doesn't do shit regarding reflections?
LOL no it doesn't. This is how it looks outdoors. Half the screens is obscured with the reflection. And here is the Acer - not a hint of glare.
> Lol, that's why the Eve 4k with glossy was more sharp than the one with matte?
But... it isn't.
> By your logic setting the colorimeter 5 feet away from the display will give the exact same readings. Some "facts".
... how did you come to this conclusion?
> And who exactly is claiming that? Making up arguments because no real ones available?
Can link you dozens of threads on reddit where people keep droning on about this. Here is the latest one.
> You: All panels are matte by default!!! Glossy is just layer over matte!!!
So we've established from the article that it's a spectrum rather than binary. I explicitly mentioned that the "stripped" panel without the outer layer isn't the same as an all-out glossy panel with a glass layer, and that it falls somewhere in between. My argument still stands: to create an actual glossy panel, you need a layer of glass/hard plastic on top. Like MacBooks, smartphones, etc do. If you don't have that, your screen isn't glossy, end of story. It's just somewhere on that spectrum in between - and I've taken apart enough broken LCDs for hobby projects to know that not every one of them looks like this with the top layers stripped.
> EDIT: Oh yeah, weren't you claiming "perception" was snake oil? Got on that train very quick when you found "light matte" is close to glossy in that regard lol.
Except that's not "perception", that's literally a material with different qualities used and the article you linked states so.
fenrir245 t1_j62ghly wrote
> You are the one banging on about "perceived" things - here is Notebookcheck, telling you that despite how the subpixel array looks, the image is not grainy.
Lol, you yourself kept going on about how "perception" is snake oil, so I gave you an objective method to prove your dumb point.
If matte is not the cause of graininess, then there will be matte panels with equally sharp subpixels like there are for most glossy panels. All your excuses whining about "subpixels don't matter" are just that, excuses.
You keep harping about objective standards, I gave you an objective way to prove it. You didn't.
> So? People love sticking to established lingo even if it's wrong.
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Notebookcheck and "sticking to established lingo".
"Is it me that's wrong? No, it's literally anybody and everybody else including reviewers and manufacturers that are wrong."
> I did, but you ignored it because it's inconvenient.
Lol. Perception isn't "snake oil" anymore?
> LOL no it doesn't. This is how it looks outdoors. Half the screens is obscured with the reflection. And here is the Acer - not a hint of glare.
And you can already see it being all washed out to hell. Perception was only "snake oil", was it?
> But... it isn't.
Uh huh. Someone really didn't watch the video. Probably was too inconvenient for their worldview.
> ... how did you come to this conclusion?
From your logic. deltaE and colorspace don't depend on ambient light, and you keep claiming that's all there is to perception, so it shouldn't matter where I place the colorimeter, right? Any distortion should be snake oil, right?
> Can link you dozens of threads on reddit where people keep droning on about this. Here is the latest one.
So the "popular argument" is one that is downvoted to hell and the rest of the thread is complaining about how there's a severe lack of 1440p 24-inch monitors? Do you know what "popular" means?
> So we've established from the article that it's a spectrum rather than binary.
Lol, no. The "spectrum" is the amount of haze the matte coating is put through, with the lighter hazes coming with less graininess and diffusion but more glare. Almost as if glossy is the end point of that spectrum.
Don't try to pretend your stupid assumptions are valid because "spectrum".
> I explicitly mentioned that the "stripped" panel without the outer layer isn't the same as an all-out glossy panel with a glass layer
Nope, that's something you started wailing on once your "glossy is just matte with glass on top" nonsense failed to prove itself.
> My argument still stands: to create an actual glossy panel, you need a layer of glass/hard plastic on top.
Are you seriously thinking there's no glass on Dell Ultrasharps or Asus ProArts? Are those panels magically glossy now? Oh wait, you did call the matte version of Apple's monitor glossy as well. Guess there's no saving.
No matter the delusion you keep telling yourself, glossy displays do not have anything extra over their screens than matte displays do. Samsung Display showing off "thinnest" laptop panel, and yet it is glossy. One would think they'd be going for matte if matte displays magically have a layer less than glossy displays do.
> Like MacBooks, smartphones, etc do. If you don't have that, your screen isn't glossy, end of story.
LG Gram has no glass and the plastic is flexible. Guess it's matte now, lol.
> Except that's not "perception", that's literally a material with different qualities used and the article you linked states so.
Same deltaE, same colorspace, same white balance, same contrast measured. What now?
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