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Dependent-Clerk8754 t1_iv7k402 wrote

Kyllo v U.S. protects Americans against govt for this. My British friends live in a more surveillance society, though.

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beaverbait t1_iv7o48i wrote

Only after the government gets caught doing it and only if any of the corrupt system actaually holds them accountable. Which is unlikely at best.

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JohannesOliver t1_iv82e10 wrote

It’s about criminal charges, they could not use this without a warrant. Mass surveillance is something else, the government will do what the government wants to do.

The cited case was regarding a person suspected of a marijuana grow. The police used thermal imaging without a warrant to get a conviction. The Supreme Court determined it was considered a search by the fourth amendment (5-4 decision, btw). That would be similar here.

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Ownza t1_iv83se7 wrote

>they could not use this without a warrant.

You mean that they would use parallel construction after knowing what they know after using it, and wouldn't tell you they used it. You wouldn't know they used it.

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JohannesOliver t1_iv84fqq wrote

Maybe, if they were able to. For what it is I think that could be difficult though.

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zain_monti t1_iv7yqet wrote

Na I always thought the usa was more then a surveillance society the us

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JohannesOliver t1_iv82oju wrote

Absolutely not. GCHQ does the same stuff the NSA does, but your overt surveillance (CCTV and the like) is significantly more than the US has. I think they probably like that the US gets all the publicity though.

In the US the cops have to ask private citizens for CCTV footage much of the time. Ring kind of let them in without doing that, but it is still a private entity.

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Dependent-Clerk8754 t1_iv8du5x wrote

The police in the UK can track you from London to Manchester constantly in your car. In the U.S., they have to get a warrant to put a tracker on your car. There are over 1million CCTVs in London.

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jjj49er t1_ivex831 wrote

The US government is not known for obeying its own laws.

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