Viewing a single comment thread. View all comments

crono141 t1_it8smum wrote

Reply to comment by Ok-disaster2022 in 8K Industry Faces Challenge with New EU Regulatory Ruling by SalmonellaTizz

The problem is that the regulations were set and designed around the average 1080p set power draw. 4k requires more power (more pixels, more processing, more power), and many don't fit under the cap. 8k TVs are right out.

So, what's going to end up happening is either

  • stagnation of innovation

  • 4k and 8k TVs no longer being sold in the EU.

25

wavecult t1_it8uw0z wrote

Samsung says its doable and the article also says there are ways to achieve it. It seems it just wasn't on their list of priorities because R&D into true innovation would cost them more.

26

Zironic t1_it8tswc wrote

Or someone innovates and manages to design a high pixel density TV that doesn't consume as much power as an oven.

24

MetaDragon11 t1_it8weq0 wrote

What? My 65 inch 4k tv uses about 250 watts max. The average electric oven uses 2500-3000 watts.

Thats an order of magnitude difference.

24

Zironic t1_it8xw7y wrote

Some of the 85'' 8K TVs have been drawing upwards of 800W so they were getting up there.

21

NelchaelSS t1_it96isd wrote

Doen’t matter. If you need HDR, you need a lot of nits/light, so the TV uses a lot of power. I don’t want to go back to 400nits TVs just because there is a shitty regulation put in place by technical illiterates. Just give it a worse energy rating score and move on.

Freedom to choose is a right.

0

MrMitchWeaver t1_it9b4qc wrote

Freedom to not die of global warming is a bigger right.

Your rights end where mine begin.

3

NelchaelSS t1_it9ii9s wrote

Yeah, keep believing that your green TV with 50W/h less peak power consumption will save the planet. Better yet, stop eating meat & start eating bugs, they’re greener.

The amount of propaganda you guys eat from corporations and billionaires, that YOU as a person are 100% responsable for global warming is unbelievable. They live like kings, 1 polluting like 1 million of us peasants, but we must be held responsible for them.

You guys can live like as you like, but I have only 1 life and I won’t live like a dog.

5

Zironic t1_it9iygx wrote

Imagine typing this rant attached to an article literally written by corporations wanting to sell you more unsustainable crap.

4

NelchaelSS t1_it9l73j wrote

>Imagine typing this rant attached to an article literally written by corporations wanting to sell you more unsustainable crap.

So? What does me being a consumer to a company has to do with the fact that companies/billionaires pollute?

Should we stop buying anything just because the guys we buy from pollute?

And the article says clearly: for the technology we have microLED (which is already very power efficient), we can't reach the EEI, because 8K displays would need to consume as much energy as 4k displays. 33 million pixels can't consume less energy than 8.2 million pixels + that you need a more powerful SoC to process the image.

As easy as that. That's why laws about tech should be passed by walking fossils that are tech illiterates. (and that these kind of laws should be updated regularly)

8

alexxfloo t1_itdc960 wrote

A dog ? If a 4k tv is the difference between a good and a bad life than your life is pathetic

1

skinlo t1_itlbkkk wrote

And when do they get their billions from? From you buying crap to make yourself feel better is the answer. If you think the resolution of your TV defines whether you live like a dog, then I suggest you have bigger problems than that.

1

NelchaelSS t1_itmblhn wrote

You are as stupid as the other guy I responded to, "live like a dog" is a figure of speech about the way you live, not about the TV.

Also, I don't have a problem with them making billions, as long as it's properly taxed and they are held accountable about the amount of pollution they do. Want to cry about billionaires, business owners making more than the guy that washes dishes, etc, go to r/antiwork .

0

MrMitchWeaver t1_it9lnxa wrote

I'm going to have to go sentence by sentence because your comment is laughable.

> less peak power consumption will save the planet.

Partly, yes. Maybe not my TV specifically but billions of them working every day do have an effect.

> Better yet, stop eating meat & start eating bugs, they’re greener.

I try to cut back for sure, but me changing my diet for the rest of my life is absolutely not comparable to you having to wait a few months until the engineering is fixed. Not even a little bit.

> The amount of propaganda you guys eat from corporations and billionaires

You are literally defending the 8K lobby right now. They wrote the article that spawned this thread.
Remember when corporations told us that cigarettes didn't cause cancer?
Now they are telling us that they can't make efficient TVs.
Let's talk again in 12 months to see if they were able to decipher this unsolvable challenge.

> YOU as a person are 100% responsable for global warming is unbelievable

They don't say that and I don't believe it. I do believe we are all responsible of making green choices whenever we can by choosing to consume or not consume something, or to encourage or not encourage certain products and businesses. I don't encourage inefficient electronics.

> They live like kings, 1 polluting like 1 million of us pheasants,

I think you meant to say peasants. Yes, they are worse than us.

> but we must be held responsible for them.

No, each person is responsible for their own actions. They for theirs and we for ours.

> You guys can live like as you like,

Thank you for your permission. I will continue trying to not melt the planet.

> I have only 1 life

Fortunately.

> I won’t live like a dog.

So not getting an inefficient TV at an early date equates to "living like a dog." Gotcha. I'm going to try really hard to not die of laughter whenever I think of that.

−3

PineappleLemur t1_itybq22 wrote

Issue is HDR content needing very high brightness display to work properly.

High enough to make you squint when the sun is on screen in a lit room.

So those panels will consume more energy when playing HDR content there's no way around this.

Most of the time it consumes as much as a fridge even for 65" TVs..

1

beleidigtewurst t1_it8w7td wrote

> The problem is that the regulations were set and designed around the average 1080p set power draw.

No, that is absolutely not "the problem" as one would have "upped" the figure otherwise.

It is conscious "we do not want to do that". The same reason why old style inefficient bulbs are banned.

10

Zncon t1_it93o2c wrote

There were a few things lost, but for the most part switching to LED was a neutral move to the consumer. They both create light.

A 1080p and 4k screen are not equivalents.

2

beleidigtewurst t1_it959cv wrote

It doesn't matter.

The goal is (at least for now, it might change if "energy will be abundant" vision turns true) that nobody wants to increase power consumption of an average household, on the opposite.

If that renders some shiny tech that arguably barely anyone on this planet needs, oh well.

−2

nicuramar t1_itbakiy wrote

> So, what’s going to end up happening is either > - stagnation of innovation > > - 4k and 8k TVs no longer being sold in the EU.

Or something else that you didn’t think of.

1