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BigCommieMachine t1_jdvub3f wrote

Reply to comment by Tobacco_Bhaji in OnePlus and Oppo set to leave parts of Europe, report says by Captain_Smartass_

It wasn’t the quality. It was they were marketed as “a flagship phone with mid-range prices” like Google initially did the Pixel and Nexus. Both would were heavily consumer driven and cut expensive features the target consumers didn’t care about. And both pretty quickly they went to “flagship for slightly cheaper flagship prices” and “slightly nicer midrange for slightly above mid range prices”.

So the value proposition was kinda lost because instead of the giving a flagship with consumers what they wanted and bloat cut out, they just make straight flagships and mid ranges like everyone else. Your OnePlus target user wanted the top of the line processor, a big mid range screen, a physical fingerprint reader, a 3.5mm jacks, expandable storage, and a good enough camera.

I don’t need an always on display, an under screen finger print reader, and a Hasselbad camera. Why about the T series? Fair enough. But the issue is that OnePlus announces the T series like 9 months after the Pro series.

I don’t think this is entirely OnePlus fault. All these Chinese companies are openly in a dick measuring contest with Apple, Samsung, and each other trying to make “The best” because embarrassing Apple..etc is more important than making a good product while forgetting Apple doesn’t think about you AT ALL. We’ve pretty much settled on Apple owning US, Samsung mostly capturing Europe, and China controlling their own market and developing countries.

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koolaidisthestuff t1_jdw4xzi wrote

It’s kinda funny how you can now buy a current pro Pixel and it costs less than the new OnePlus lol. The extra 15 layers of hands the devices pass through now are half that cost. Initially, they sold direct to the customer. When they ditched that..

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iceleel t1_je4loyi wrote

OP11 just came out. P7 has been out a while. Also OP11 features much superior Snapdragon gen 2, has bigger battery, and the camera lens won't break randomly for no reason.

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Steffunzel t1_jdz7dbq wrote

Google pixel 7 pro starts at $899, OnePlus 11 starts at $699.

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Genericbuild t1_jdwo0xu wrote

Tbh the reason I have an iPhone now is because if it’s gonna cost iphone money I mine as well just get an iPhone. Atleast with the iPhone you are paying to have a product that will get day 1 software updates and support for more years than most people keep a phone, all these other companies are charging a grand for a phone and you maybe get day 1 updates the first year, 3 months late the 2nd year, if they do a 3rd year you get 8 months later and after that you probably are just fucked. Even the companies that do support their products longer term you end up getting the next version of their respective is months after it’s release.

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DaudyMentol t1_jdx3c3f wrote

I think Sony is the only exception to this. Afaik sony phones get support for a long time after release.

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psychocopter t1_jdyv7zq wrote

Sony phones are also flagship price/quality, but offer no deals through carrier contracts like "free pixel/galaxy/iphone when you open a new line with a 2 year contract". You do have to buy them outright. That being said, theyre basically the only flagship with a headphone jack, expandable storage, and a bezel instead of a notch/teardrop/punchout/island. Ive been considering an xperia because of that stuff.

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DaudyMentol t1_jdz7br5 wrote

I mean in my country you usually buy phones for their full price because you buy phone without sim cards (without plan) . Yes there are contracts or something like that but i think thats dependent on operator which phones they offer in those contracts.

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TheAkashicTraveller t1_jdzg8i7 wrote

Sony's most likely going to be my next phone unless one of the startups come up with something good. I likely would have had a fairphone already but they ditched the headphone jack to sell their wireless buds showing them as hyppocrits.

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JclassOne t1_jdzm46b wrote

I would love Sony to get serious about a smart phone I have always wanted a Sony design but they never have the specs .

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Genericbuild t1_jdzx5qr wrote

Not sure what specs their missing for you tbh, their flagship has flagship processors cameras and screens.

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Puzzleheaded-Bee3535 t1_jdyj4nt wrote

Whats the sony policy on updates and for how long?

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DaudyMentol t1_jdz74qr wrote

I am not sure, i didnt really research it, this is from what i heard.

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Puzzleheaded-Bee3535 t1_jdz7n71 wrote

I think you are wrong. Sony updates are not good.

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DaudyMentol t1_jdz7r17 wrote

That wasnt part of the debate, i specifically said they get support for a long time, not that they have good updates. Bad updates are still better than getting abandoned after two years.

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Puzzleheaded-Bee3535 t1_jdz8085 wrote

Yes, but they dont get for a long time. Probs 2 androids max.

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DaudyMentol t1_jdz8dm6 wrote

Maybe i know that their current flagship is 2021 design and it still gets uodates. This december it got updated to android 13 (it started at 11) and it still got updates after that so... Idk man i just know when it comes to Sony they have pretty solid track record with this. They dont churn out new model every year or two so when they make a phone they usually try to do their best.

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ikindahateusernames t1_je1k8mr wrote

>Bad updates are still better than getting abandoned after two years.

My Xperia both had infrequent updates and is abandoned (stuck on Android 8). I would not say Sony is an example of good update policy.

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DaudyMentol t1_je1kqtw wrote

From what i heard it depends heavily on mdoels. Flagships get a lot more support (ofcourse) for longer time. Also since when frequent uodates = good policy? I mean yes more frequent updates usually means more care but quality updates are what matters the most. Quality > frequncy > no updates at all.

Anyways i have no dog in this fight i was just talking about what i know / heard.

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ikindahateusernames t1_je1oukr wrote

>Anyways i have no dog in this fight

Same, I was just adding to the discussion on updates using that line. Sorry if you thought I wanted to argue with you; not my intention.

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DaudyMentol t1_je1rrnr wrote

no probelm. Normal people can discuss. Anyways have a nice day.

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mekatzer t1_jdytdid wrote

Sony phones were great

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DaudyMentol t1_jdz768e wrote

They still make phones. Or the new ones arent great?

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mekatzer t1_jdzw73p wrote

I didn’t realize. Had several of them before smartphones

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DaudyMentol t1_jdzwcca wrote

Yeah they basically make xperia phones which are like really rare because barely anybody bought them but people who did usually behave like cultists when it comes to rating the phones.

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koolaidisthestuff t1_je0bv7a wrote

The $1500 flagships do yes..

But.. they are Sony-centric in the fact that the market for those are mainly content creators in Japan that already use Sonys high end cameras.

I still remember my Xperia Z2 had 4K ahead of like anyone else and a build quality I didn’t see again til buying an iPhone. They make absolutely beautiful and wel designed phones. But.. much like apple you aren’t getting the full experience unless you have a bunch of their other products. And with Sony.. they just don’t have that loyal a fan base like apple. Apple is synonymous with luxury so even non-tech people want it cause who doesn’t want luxury?

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Redditthrowaway10293 t1_jdx5tps wrote

Yeah, but then you're stuck with an apple phone and no ability to sideload apps

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Genericbuild t1_jdx67uq wrote

I mean that wasn’t a feature that was really important to me and I don’t feel stuck, the only features I would lose if I decided to go back to android are face time and iMessage. After having both phones the os wars are kind of absurd for 90% of people imo. If you do a lot of side loading or emulating on your phone sure android is the choice, if you own other apple products the iPhone makes more sense, if neither of those points matter which to most people they don’t just get whatever one has the better deal or you find more appealing to hood and use.

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Redditthrowaway10293 t1_jdx7k54 wrote

In all honesty, I know that many people don't sideload apps. But what I don't know is how they manage like that. There's just sooooo many ads. YouTube has minute long ads, ffs sometimes in the middle of the video I think. Games have tons of ads. Just general apps will have ads. Reddit's official app, tons of ads.... Why do people choose that life instead of sideloading better apps and ad blockers???

(rhetorical question, not directed at you)

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Genericbuild t1_jdxavrp wrote

I think most people are just used to the ads at this point honestly. Some ads are def worse than others, YouTube ads are for awful, Reddit ads don’t bother me because they don’t impede what I’m doing they are just kinda along the way while i scroll. I don’t play many mobile games so I can’t relate on that part.

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bimmerphile_ec t1_jdxxr0g wrote

You can find workarounds for some things. Like using YouTube on safari with an ad blocker, or using Apollo on iOS, which is one of the best Reddit clients. I have an iPhone and an Android, just cause i like playing around with both OSs. Both have their ups and downs.

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azlan194 t1_jdzxmgf wrote

Ikr, I use YouTube Vanced for so long that I forgot YouTube has God awful ads. Sometimes when I click a video link in Reddit, it opens the official YouTube app to play the video, and oh my God the unskipable and multiple ads in the beginning, then in the middle, I'm just nope, close that immediately, lol.

I'm glad I have Vanced, just this reason alone, I don't think I can ever use an iOS product.

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LurkerKingSloth t1_jdz7qjx wrote

I’m not denying the usefulness of sideload apps, and I’ve considered emulation on my future phone and that may influence me not buying an iPhone next time.

But to answer your (rhetorical haha) question, I use the brave browser and don’t have ads in YouTube through that, and use Apollo for browsing Reddit. The only time I would see an advertisement on my phone is if I decided to play one of those crappy mobile games that throw ads at you (I don’t know if there’s a way to block those, but those type of games aren’t really for me so it’s not super important)

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Redditthrowaway10293 t1_jdzut5m wrote

Does brave browser do sponcer block in YouTube as well?

For phone wide ad blocking you can use Adaway or a few others that work similarly. They use the VPN slot to route all traffic through the app which compares sites to a block list and prevents the pings to the DNS server for ads or other things you want to block.

Or you can use a DNS such as NextDNS. This does a similar thing but instead of the block lists being on your phone they're on the DNS server. NextDNS cal block a ton of telemetry and other things as well.

The advantage of Adaway and other similar blockers is they save a good amount of data. But they use a little extra battery. In my experience the extra battery used for the app is more than offset by the battery drain of the pings to ad servers.

I use NextDNS on my home router to block things network wide at home. And I use Adaway on my phone.

I also use Firefox with uBlock Origin and privacy badger.

A fair amount of the everyday apps I use also come from F-Droid.

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LurkerKingSloth t1_jdzyaxt wrote

I don’t know what sponcer block is, like when the actual video itself has sponsored ads that the creator reads or something, it blocks them? I don’t think anyone I watch is big enough for sponsors like that so I’m not sure, I’ve never seen it… so maybe?

I’ll definitely check out adaway though, that sounds neat!

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Redditthrowaway10293 t1_je0bz0p wrote

You've got the right idea for sponcer block. All of the nord VPN ads within a video, intos to songs that aren't part of the music video, off topic content, self promotion, subscribe please pleas, and whatever else can all be blocked.

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birnabear t1_jdzrzll wrote

YouTube premium and google rewards to pay for any apps I want. I just don't install apps that use ads for monetisation unless I can pay to remove them with money I make from Google rewards

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MarcusOrlyius t1_jec2bfq wrote

The simpler solution is to use the website instead of the app.

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azlan194 t1_jdzx460 wrote

You, know it is annoying when all my friends or colleagues use iPhone and they all group chat with iMessage. The messages come individually to my android phone and I cannot respond to all. I told all of them to use Whatsapp instead, lol.

I wish there's an app that could handle this iMessage thing on android.

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Genericbuild t1_jdzxgf9 wrote

Yea the iPhone messages app doesn’t work very good with android phones, works great with other iPhones but you can tell they made it a gated community to try to make people who don’t have iPhones feel like an outsider in the conversation trying to convince them to switch. I have a company phone which is an iPhone 12 and also a personal iPhone 13 Pro Max, but pretty much everyone Ik also has iPhones so it makes living with one a lot easier.

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SplitPerspective t1_jdx7ibj wrote

Is Samsung really that dominant in Europe? That’s news to me. Is there a distinction between poorer or richer countries?

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BigCommieMachine t1_jdxa3ei wrote

Apple has been growing lately, but historically it has been 1/3 Samsung, 1/4 Apple, and the rest is mostly Chinese.

But the ecosystem lock is way less significant because WhatsApp dominates there as well as Spotify…etc. In the US, there is literally the “green bubble” stigma. And things will probably only tilt away from Apple in Europe because the EU opening up the App Store.

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NobleAzorean t1_jdxdd31 wrote

Its such a shame siemens and nokia lost the plot. Clear reflection of the failure of Europe in the digital age.

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BigCommieMachine t1_je1y7c0 wrote

The worst part is the Nokia/Microsoft partnership was just ahead of its time. Windows 8 was incredibly forward thinking but because touchscreen on PCs, it wasn’t a real thing.

In 2023, Apple still refuses to unify MacOS and iPadOS despite having IDENTICAL hardware.

I honestly think dual booting could be the best solution.

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andyrocks t1_jdzex77 wrote

What's the situation with Spotify in the US?

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principleofinaction t1_je0q8z3 wrote

Apple music...

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andyrocks t1_je17dez wrote

Sorry I don't know what you mean by that. Is Spotify unavailable? Do people use Apple Music instead? I've never heard of it so I don't know. Everyone here uses Spotify.

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principleofinaction t1_je1j624 wrote

Apply Music is reasonably popular in the US, either for people that transitioned from iTunes, or it came bundled with some other service or they simply stay in the ecosystem since it's easy.

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