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FSYigg t1_jcmomok wrote

Reply to comment by virtualprince in Apple Watch Could Help Treat Sickle Cell Disease Symptoms, Study Suggests by chrisdh79

>A sensor that tells you if you might be having afib.

Yeah a sensor in the actual medical device called an AED - Automatic Electronic Defibrillator - determines that, not an Apple smartwatch.

>Right just like a stethoscope does.

The stethoscope is useless without a trained professional using it because anyone else is simply guessing at what they hear.

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virtualprince t1_jcmozhs wrote

An Apple Watch has sensors that can help in predicting afib, smoothbrain.

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FSYigg t1_jcmtoxv wrote

>An Apple Watch has sensors that can help in predicting afib

The article does not cover afib at all. What are you talking about? I only engaged with the AED because it's an actual medical device, which an Apple watch is not.

>smoothbrain

Sophomoric insults are a sure sign of a loser losing an argument.

Have a great day.

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virtualprince t1_jcmtywp wrote

If you don’t know what the Apple Watch does why are you saying it has no medical benefits? If you don’t understand what I’m trying to say then I’m sorry no one can help you be better informed.

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FSYigg t1_jcmvkqg wrote

>If you don’t know what the Apple Watch does why are you saying it has no medical benefits?

I know what an Apple watch is and what it's capable of doing. I said it's not a medical device. Medical benefits are a different story. Many non-medical devices have medical benefits. There's a big difference there.

Do you generally reply to people without actually reading their words? I said nothing about medical benefits.

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virtualprince t1_jcmvtc1 wrote

Excuse me. I used the more sensible phrasing. You said “medical help”

Do you generally forget your own words shortly after writing them?

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FSYigg t1_jcmwjos wrote

>You said “medical help”

No, I didn't say that either. You're trying so hard to shoehorn words into my mouth and you're failing because this is text.

The entire gist of my statements are that an Apple Watch is not a medical device, shouldn't be trusted as one, and people referring to it as such should not be trusted either.

You've literally made up everything else here.

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virtualprince t1_jcmx5jl wrote

Also, feel free to explain what I made up if you can remember. You can scroll up if you need a refresher.

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JohnnyRyallsDentist t1_jcown07 wrote

FWIW, the debate between you and u/FSYigg is a little weird because you're both half right and half wrong.

You don't need an AED to detect AF. You just need an ECG. AF is diagnosed from irregularity and atrial activity as P waves, which the very basic-level ECG capabilities of the Apple watch are very capable of doing. A clinician can also fairly reliably detect the signs of AF with a stethoscope, although formal diagnosis would need to be confirmed by an ECG. More widely, cardiac problems generally need a 12 lead ECg, which the apple watch does not do. An apple watch can definitely detect AF. But it shouldn't be relied upon for formal diagnosis.

In other words, it's not a "medical device" in the sense that no doctor is likely to begin treatment for AF based on your own findings from a watch, but they would take a watch ECG seriously and reliably enough as a sign that further investigations are needed.

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virtualprince t1_jcp67cq wrote

I know. I wasn’t trying to open that can of worms. All I said was that it can be medically benifival and can help in finding afib as it has for people I know. The watch detects a change and pings the wearer to get looked at.

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virtualprince t1_jcmuruo wrote

Not to mention pulse ox and how much that does help a person with sickle cell tracking and predicting their vocs.

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BeneficialElephant5 t1_jcnlavo wrote

You can buy a pulse oximeter for less than £10 and they have existed for decades. Pathetic that people think tacking a sensor onto a several hundred dollar device is some revolutionary medical advance. Get a grip.

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