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bicameral_mind t1_j9pse12 wrote

Looks like Apple will continue to be the single dominating force of consumer hardware and software design for a third decade in a row.

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xondk t1_j9qh82v wrote

Neither hardware nor software is why Apple dominates.

It is their marketting and how they market their eco system towards "the average consumer", and they do that insanely well and are more like a fashion brand then anything else.

Not saying their hardware or software is bad, but it just isn't why they have the market share they do.

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TheRealNap0le0n t1_j9qjyg7 wrote

The Woz even said it himself, "the iphone is a cool phone for someone that wants cool technology without having to worry about how to use it"

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dynamic424 t1_j9r5mlm wrote

People will act like that an insult. But the iphone will take advantage of everything its capable off, without anything needed out of the box, You turn it on, sign in, and do whatever you want. Dont need to fuck around in settings, or mess around with other apps. I just do it.

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Robot_Embryo t1_j9rhnnz wrote

That's cool.

I spent 2h trying to figure out how to disable the unnecessary password prompt for free apps from the iTunes store on an iPad.

After 3 different walk-throughs all leading to dead ends (because they apparently keep changing where they hide the damn setting), I finally discovered that the toggle was disabled, greyed out, on my particular (and latest) OS model.

Wanted to share some files over Bluetooth between my Android and iPad, but the iPad couldn't do it.

I returned that shit the next day.

This has been my consistent experience at every level with iOS.

There's one way to everything, and one way only. If you need to do something that the smug design team at Apple never thought of, or they didn't think you would need to, or if there's a bug in software and you need to troubleshoot by doing it a different way, too bad: you're SOL.

The thing is I want to like iOS. I have a MacBook Pro, and it'd be nice to have a phone that plays nice with it (but Apple intentionally makes it difficult to interact with non-Apple devices).

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Romeo9594 t1_j9rwahh wrote

If you're spending that much time on something that simple you need to improve your Googling, reading comprehension, and critical thinking skills man

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Robot_Embryo t1_j9rzjn6 wrote

Check YOUR reading comprehension.

I read through 3 different detailed guides, and each one CONTRADICTED one another, because this silly little option-toggle getting moved around when OS was updated.

In the end, I was never able to toggle it off, because on the that version of iOS (the most recent at the time, Spring 2021) on that iPad had a bug, and the option toggle was disabled.

A tech savvy person shouldn't need to comb through guides to find an parameter toggle as trivial as that; the option should been under App Store settings. THAT would be the intuitive place to change an App Store parameter, but instead, it was buried somewhere in the phone master settings.

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Romeo9594 t1_j9s06xe wrote

Maybe you should have included your OS version in your Google search and save yourself some headache? Google also has a "tools" option to let you only see results from the past week/month/year/etc you can use so you don't follow outdated guides

You're welcome

Lol, u/Robot_Embryo blocked me after leaving his comment. All I wanted to do was teach a self proclaimed "tech savvy" person how to use Google

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Robot_Embryo t1_j9s3v5i wrote

I did? News to me. Maybe you should learn how to use your iOS device.

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Romeo9594 t1_j9s48y1 wrote

Oh, so weird how I can all of a sudden view your profile again. Anyway, I hope the lesson on how to Google was helpful to a "tech savvy" person such as yourself. Seems a basic lesson but I'm willing to offer it for free

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Robot_Embryo t1_j9s18jr wrote

My god, you iPhone fanboys are worse than Trump supporters.

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dynamic424 t1_j9s1t1j wrote

"How to *insert what you want to do* ios version *your ios version*" Litterally that simple.

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Robot_Embryo t1_j9s3vqo wrote

I guess if I were an iOS user I'd be used to that, but in 13 years I've literally never once had to Google for a walk through on how to find a such a trivial parameter with Android, because they usually are put right where you'd expect them to be.

>Litterally that simple.

You know what's literally simpler?

  1. not requiring a password input for free apps by default on the Appstore

  2. putting an AppStore setting parameter in the Appstore settings menu, not somewhere completely unrelated

  3. not arbitrarily moving the toggle to a new sub-menu everytime the OS is updated.

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dynamic424 t1_j9sakcv wrote

Ive never had to google either. It just seems like some cant manage on there own, and have to look up guides on how to do shit, on IOS of all places lmao. You can quite easily make password input be your face, or touch. It seems like you werent capable of doing that either. The appstore settings are.... where you (didnt) guess, the settings menu. Sure they shouldnt change where it is, but your dumbass cant find out what the setting name is called, and use the handy dandy settings search, that searches the name of literally every setting. And will let you change it.

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dynamic424 t1_j9s1oe8 wrote

>Wanted to share some files over Bluetooth between my Android and iPad, but the iPad couldn't do it.

Use any other third party app. Becuase apparently anroid users are alright with downloading third party software for fixes. Apple users just use airdrop, text, or google cloud.

If thats your contasnt experience, would hate to see you use android lmao. Apple makes some of the most dumbed down settings, and everything for user experience, if you cant figure it out, thats pretty sad.

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Robot_Embryo t1_j9s2h58 wrote

Yup, dumbed down, and since there's only one way to do things, there's no way to troubleshoot.

When I'm having an issue with Android, since there's multiple ways to do things, I can usually maneuver around it.

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dynamic424 t1_j9s3a4a wrote

theres no way to troubleshoot, cuz unless your fucking stupid, theres no way to actually fuck it up. Ive seen like 5 examples of actually messing it up, not the users fault.

To send files, you use google. Or airdrop, Or text. Nope, definitely not multiple ways to do things, lmfao.

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TheRealNap0le0n t1_j9r7xi4 wrote

Android phones can take advantage of everything just the same.

One phone can be tinkered with, one cannot tho

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Athiena t1_j9uen7a wrote

Nobody really cares about “tinkering” with phones, they just want it to work reliably for a long time. This is where iPhones succeed.

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TheRealNap0le0n t1_j9ulgvd wrote

You mean until Apple doesn't push updates anymore so it's stuck on an old iOS but app get updated and don't support the old iOS so inorder to use them you need to buy a new phone

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Athiena t1_j9um2n9 wrote

Apple supports phones longer than any other manufacturer with immediate updates that don’t leave you waiting for months wondering when your specific phone will get it.

In addition, the oldest phone currently supported by iOS 16 is the iPhone 7, released in 2016. However, most apps (for example YouTube) only require around iOS 14 to work. And the oldest phone that can run those is the iPhone 6s from 2015.

So unless you’re the type to keep the same device for 8 years, you will never need to buy a new iPhone to use apps.

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dynamic424 t1_j9r9dqi wrote

One is built to have everything there by defualt. iPhone can be tinkered with, you just have to take advantage the app and enable dev mode, and import the things like that.

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cottonycloud t1_j9rhq0x wrote

What if I wanted my apps to be arranged from bottom to top?

What if I don’t spend money on a Mac computer just to develop for my own personal application or modifying someone’s IPA?

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___Dan___ t1_j9qiu0g wrote

Their products are also generally very user friendly, compared to competitors. Things inside the ecosystem “just work” in a way they don’t in other environments

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Reddit8MyHamster t1_j9r38n5 wrote

Marketing/branding is undoubtedly still a huge part of the equation but I’m not sure I agree with your assertion that this accounts for the level of dominance now.

The Apple of yesteryear definitely relied primarily on branding, but ever since the emergence of the iPod, as far as I can see it’s increasingly been about the stability, usability, security & integration of their software and hardware. It was gradual at first but has been gathering momentum. I’d posit that these factors now at least sit alongside the marketing rather than being incidental to it.

This is of course anecdotal and if you have up-to-date concrete stats suggesting otherwise, please do share. It’s an interesting topic.

I don’t think the popularity of things like iPhones & iPads among the elderly is about marketing, but about legitimate usability. I come from a tech background and the amount of developers I know who are now Mac converts is rather staggering. These guys know their stuff. They’re certainly not anti-PC and many use PCs at work but Macs for personal use. The M1 processors are delivering insane speeds now, too. This is certainly drawing in friends and acquaintances of mine from other fields.

But most of all, as computers lose their novelty factor and increasingly become part of the furniture, I think many people just want something that works, is relatively hassle free, relatively secure, and integrates with your other devices, and in the main, that’s what Apple’s ecosystem excels at.

I’m no fan boy (in fact it was the ‘fanboyism’ and marketing of Apple that made me steer clear of them for many years) but I am without doubt a convert. If I wanted customisation I’d go down the PC/Android route. If I want stability and integration, for me it’s Apple.

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strifejester t1_j9trovj wrote

Hardware was the draw for me to switch. I never owned an iPhone until the XS Max. I was huge into android, even did my own builds and helped the modding community. I hate Samsung software and in turn their phones mostly due to the launcher and things. I got sick of Android phones coming under powered and lacking. After using an iPad for a few months I switched to iPhone and when the M1 came out bought my first Mac book pro

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lucky_leftie t1_j9tfizg wrote

You do have to respect that their ecosystem does actually work though. It’s not just a gimmick to say all these things work together, they actually do. Which is nice.

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Basshead404 t1_j9r83em wrote

Do you not recall the two patent infringements they’re in hot water for with the Apple Watch?

Edit: downvotes but no rebuttals as usual

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Stryker2279 t1_j9q4dyd wrote

>Looks like Apple will continue to be the single dominating force of copying consumer hardware and software design for a third decade in a row.

Ftfy

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