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KingKapwn t1_j8ymf2j wrote

They keep pushing the Metaverse as some kind of alternative or new social media, but it’s flatly not. Something like VRChat is popular because it doesn’t feel corporate. It’s a creative environment where you’re free to build what you want. Metaverse on the other hand feels like a sterile corporate product that confines you.

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hey_you_too_buckaroo t1_j8yomhj wrote

Lmao, the part that has me confused is why anyone would want to hold corporate meetings or do real work in the metaverse. Is there some killer feature here no one understands about the metaverse?

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GMaster7 t1_j8zm0iz wrote

No. There's not. It's a lot of corporate FOMO - businesspeople making decisions because they want to be pioneers and find the "next big thing," and this technology lends itself well to meaningless buzzwords and pie-in-the-sky fledgling economic "opportunity." But there's nothing interesting or convenient or exciting about it. We've had online communities for decades, and it's not the mere fact that they're virtual that makes them popular. It's because of the fun and interesting stuff you can do with them. MMOs, chat rooms and forums, online games, e-commerce, etc.

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illuminati1556 t1_j8zsgsr wrote

I dunno, I think if the software was better it could be a really cool opportunity to keep a WFH environment, but providing a space that feels more personal and connected to do collaborative work

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amishbill t1_j91xaoj wrote

If it’s not good enough for porn, it’s not good enough for business.

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Vanman04 t1_j906krr wrote

I think you are right. People are laughing now but as the tech matures I think they will laugh less and less

Vr controlled by zuck is terrifying butt he is laying the foundation when the tech gets to where it works for your average person he is going to have a huge head start.

It's coming eventually regardless of how much people make fun of it now.

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Quartziferous t1_j90t3yf wrote

Haha vr sickness go brrr

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illuminati1556 t1_j90yt9v wrote

I really hope the higher refresh and resolution makes it easier when psvr2 comes out next week😅

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hzfan t1_j9ws13p wrote

As someone with motion sickness if we ever get to a point where for my job I’m required to be in VR for hours a day I will burn Utica to the ground

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DestroidMind t1_j90my0s wrote

That would be cool. Have a really nice office where all your co workers could virtually be in. If you need to ask a question or work as a team you can just move your character over to the conference room or walk to the person you need.

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RooneyBallooney6000 t1_j90piw3 wrote

That sounds not cool at all. Maybe blackjack and hookers, in fact.. forget the work

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DestroidMind t1_j90po8b wrote

I’d rather do it on the metaverse than drive to work and work on things I could literally do at home.

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RooneyBallooney6000 t1_j90q68j wrote

Howabout working and skip the metaverse? Wearing that bullshit will give people headaches. How much better does the tech have to be than half life Alyx for it to not suck? Idk i could see the techmology being cool but not for working.

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DestroidMind t1_j90qg0a wrote

Huh??? I’m still working, just from home and not wasting an extra hour and a half getting ready for work, the commute there and back. I think the point has completely whooshed over your head there.

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RooneyBallooney6000 t1_j90qk55 wrote

I meant just WFH like regular no need the metaverse

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DestroidMind t1_j90qvkm wrote

The ability to recreate an office space rather than just constant zoom meetings is almost un comparable. The amount of zoom calls I would need just between my co workers is the main reason we don’t work from home. Having a cyber office space where I can walk into anyone’s office and get the information I need is huge. It’s like being in a MMORPG but for work.

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RandomOverwatcher t1_j92kukz wrote

I don't think you understand or I'm missing something. Everything you think you can do in vr can already be done right now. You say you can walk into a virtual office but what if the same employee doesn't want to talk? What if they disable their avatar or office or whatever. Normally outside of VR you would message the person and ask to meet and talk. VR isn't going to make a difference. If you want to walk into their virtual office, you can do the same by messaging them and/or even direct call them. And with the right permissions, you can see their status and calendar events.

So again, what are unique things that VR bring that we can't do? And let's assume employees may not have their "door" open whether through zoom or VR all the time (regardless of the reasoning). I hope to see your reply because I might be missing something.

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casino_r0yale t1_j982qyd wrote

You trying to tell me a Kingsman glasses-style meeting wouldn’t be a better experience than a 6 person zoom call with lag and people tripping over themselves constantly?

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RandomOverwatcher t1_j98mbm6 wrote

Yes because the glasses aren't going to fix the lag or people tripping on themselves. The software or hardware is just a topl that still rely on the same internet Itemconnection (laggy or not) and the person (tripping over or not).

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Coolfatman t1_j908zqr wrote

Can you imagine if meta spent a couple hundred million on a vr mmo to accompany the meta verse.

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Brittainicus t1_j90ar4o wrote

The only thing I can think of would be augmented reality headsets to do

  1. holograms of people in meetings, which is a pretty bland feature but I could see corporate world loving it.

  2. being able to create hologram monitors such that you could have a head set rather than screens which would really then be can it do 3d well making it useful for 3d visualisation of data or designing/visualisation of 3d models and spaces. Or can it be very ergonomic and cheaper than monitors. This could in theory connect to an extremely powerful smart phone or tablet and replace office computers.

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weekapaugrooove t1_j90cj2s wrote

You know what I want at work? AR with my computer in it that projects a massive screen/workspace and a fucking killer app that makes configurable screens and windows, layouts as flow centric for what I'm doing as possible,

Something I could take anywhere and have the power of my laptop and ultrawide workspace on-demand and anywhere in the world.

Once we get there, knock yourself out and come up with some cool video chat stuff, but build it on top of a well-done OS.

Do you know what I don't want? To be forced to go to a meeting in FB (or any other corp) hellscape. But, I'm only counting down the days I need to make mindless small talk in front of some bullshit fake auditorium while waiting for my All hands Workplace meeting to start.

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lexshotit t1_j90ho1p wrote

You're talking about a VR app called Immersed that already exists. It uses the passthru cameras from the headset.

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BezniaAtWork t1_j9grihm wrote

The cameras still need to be improved. I used the Meta Quest Pro for a month and definitely liked the progress that has been made, but it's still got a long way to go before it's something I'd use on a daily basis for work.

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lexshotit t1_j9gteb1 wrote

I've been using it on the Pico 4 and it works just fine. The camera is good enough to see what I need to see, which is only my keyboard.

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Caffeine_Monster t1_j90ts7s wrote

>some killer feature here no one understands about the metaverse?

Yes and no. Theres a lot of confusion and misdirection when it comes to the Metaverse. And there are still lots of technology shortcomings.

The best description I have seen is that the Metaverse is the internet, but designed for new human interfaces: namely augmented reality and virtual reality. Much like the internet this is more about a set of widely adopted protocols, technologies and standards.

Also it still doesn't exist yet. Things like VRchat do not provide open standards or interoperability.

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lexshotit t1_j90hgol wrote

I have actually tried working in VR, and being able to have 5 resizable monitors definitely has its merits, but it's probably not for everyone.

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galacticwonderer t1_j8zz9y5 wrote

Who here remembers the fire phone!?

I read an engineer’s perspective about it. They were all thoroughly confused thinking what they were making would NOT sell but bezos was making personal declarations on what to put into it and how well it would sell. They felt like betting against the guy that built amazon .com from scratch was a bad idea and that he knew what he was doing. It was an abysmal embarrassment. And now we have this meta verse thing everyone agrees is pointless.

Just another example of billionaires doing one thing and thinking they can do everything after the megalomania is reinforced with the big bank account and yes men everywhere.

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Vanman04 t1_j9074vj wrote

Pointless?

People lack vision. It will happen. It's just a matter of time. I seriously hope zuck doesn't control it when it does but he might.

The tech will get there. If he is the only one with a backend built.out to support it when it does it is going to be hard for someone else to step in.

I am holding out hope his shareholders put a leash on him or he runs out of money before it works.

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MyBiased t1_j90poov wrote

It's pointless because VR and the Metaverse will never be more important than the real world, it simply cannot be. Real life isn't like Ready Player One; if the world goes to shit VR ain't the answer. Improving upon the world, that's important, not making a false sense of reality.

The only growth a VR headset gives is an aneurysm.

AR is far more important to real world applications anyways; instead of building upon an escapist's addiction, it actually builds upon what really exists.

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Vanman04 t1_j92fsyw wrote

The fact you don't recognize that will all be combined is exactly the lack of vision I am talking about.

Work and play in one space controlled by zuck.

It is going to happen just like the internet happened. It took the internet a while to be accepted by the general public as well but here we are with it now being depended upon by almost everything we do.

People thinking adding 3d visuals to the internet is not going to work are fooling themselves. It is going to happen. Maybe not in the timeframe before zuck runs out of money but it will happen. You can see the potential yourself since you mention AR.

Maybe zuck doesn't have the right approach and someone sneaks in and does it right before him but some company is going to and right now the only one really going hard at it is him.

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MyBiased t1_j92pu2a wrote

The internet and the world-wide-web were actually revolutionary and an original inventions of communication; Facebook is just the same con as Myspace but sold to advertisers. The Metaverse is the same play as any VRChat, but poorly executed and sold to advertisers. Zuck doesn't have an original bone in his body, or the vision needed to revolutionize his hairdo much less the world.

You gotta stop riding dick of billionaires dicks because they sell you something you don't really need...

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Vanman04 t1_j92rbpl wrote

LOL riding dick?

Zuck is a scumbag and I desperately do not want him to control VR.

I am however not foolish enough to think it will never be popular or useful. The only thing really holding it back right now is the hardware. Those issues will be solved.

I was using the internet long before the general public came on board. I remember all the folks saying back then exactly what you are saying now. No one wants it blah blah it's just for nerds blah blah.

This is the same thing all over. Sure no one wants it now while it is cumbersome and difficult to get a decent experience but those issues will be solved eventually. Just like they were with the internet mostly.

People will flock to it the second it becomes comfortable to work with. You are fooling yourself if you think they won't.

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MyBiased t1_j92s4wd wrote

Your using a lot of "I feel" statements and relations to past success and events. The only constant in life is change. Business doesn't care what people feel.

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Vanman04 t1_j92su6e wrote

And yet you offer nothing but bias to refute it

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BigMax t1_j95knpa wrote

Exactly. I feel like the first successful “metaverse” is going to be some small company that builds something that they just think is fun/cool/useful/whatever.

It can’t start off as a massive corporate soulless thing that comes out of a boardroom and jumps to massive success. It will be something like vr chat, simple, basic, with a subset of interesting uses, that then grows from there.

I think facebook screwed up in their approach. Why spend billions when they could have spent millions? Create one (or maybe a bunch) of SMALL apps, see what takes off, iterate, build from there.

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corequmb t1_j90s7xm wrote

I told my friends the future of metaverse lies in virtual porn/sex, just like all these sci-fi movies described.

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Fryceratops t1_j927gx7 wrote

I dont see how metaverse is any different from something like Playstation Home.

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nova9001 t1_j98qs9w wrote

>They keep pushing the Metaverse as some kind of alternative or new social media, but it’s flatly not.

It could if the Metaverse was designed nicely. Instead what you get is a virtual world that looks like its 10+ years outdated graphically. Avatars float in the middle of the air with with everything under their waist empty.

Its really just shit design and they spent 10b ++ on this crap. You have 10 year old MMOs that give better experience.

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