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KsnNwk t1_j852uzs wrote

Reply to comment by GachaSheep in PC CPU Shipments See Steepest Decline in 30 Years by diacewrb

Consoles have a 2700x in them and an RX 5700 / RTX 2070 in them.

A 5600 and 3060Ti (2080 Super) would already run much better than what consoles can do. It would run 1440p, 60fps, high settings in newest games.

If you aim at 4K in the newest games, then I would recommend at least 4080 for Ray Tracing or 7900XT for non Ray Tracing gaming.

The 5600 cpu would still be enough to get high fps gaming. Unless you can find am5 and 7600 and ddr5 for simlar price or not that much more (100-200) I would go route of going with 5600, ddr4, and b550.

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GachaSheep t1_j854e9a wrote

Your economic recommendation is… purchasing GPUs that are the price of an entire console, and then for 4k, recommending me cards that cost even more?

I understand you had helpful intentions, and perhaps I should have clarified better, but the cost of pc building (and manufacturers actively choosing to reduce production/withhold stock to keep prices high) in this economic climate is the entire problem/reason why people like myself are hesitating to build even when we want to, and why PC CPU shipments are in decline.

Suggesting I purchase even more expensive parts than I was even planning for the build in the first place is kind of missing the point (though to be fair I suppose I never posted the intended build).

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Wind_14 t1_j86etqd wrote

Second-hand GPU is definitely go down in price. 3060 Ti second is around $300 or cheaper here. Even the series 20 can be obtained quite cheaply (there's someone who claim that they get 2070 Super for just $200, although this listing is a rarity). The AMD RX 6600/6650 XT is always a really nice budget GPU(they're the winner for fps/$ for 1080p and 1440p). There's also a rumor about intel arc 750 being discounted to $250 now, although you need to check for this yourself. The 16xx series is also quite cheap, though obviously the upgrade might not be as big as you hope.

Ethereum's move to PoS basically made GPU mining almost unprofitable, so there's tons of second-hand GPU flooding the market, and if you/your hubby knows how to benchmark the GPU they're usable (Mining rig usually undervolt the GPU so they're often just as good as normal second hand GPU, but not every miner takes good care of their rig).

There's actually 2 listing on eBay for 2070S under $200, but they look very sketchy.

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KsnNwk t1_j855uf7 wrote

If you want a PC for cheap and one that perform rival consoles.

You ann just get a RTX 3060 and ryzen 5600. That's 100 for mobo, 100 for ram, 120 for cpu and 329 for gpu. It's still a litte more powerful and should handle 1440p 60fps high settings gaming with dlss.

That's 150 more than for consoles, but on PC you don't pay for Online and games are cheaper over time.

Also consoles albeit adv. for 4K run most games at 1400p-1800p dynamic resolutions and at medium settings at best to active 60fps.

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PlutoniumChemist t1_j86caxt wrote

Budgeting 0 dollars for you power supply is a good way to burn your house down

Consoles ship with a case, your PC doesn't

Is Windows still free?

Assuming they are going to use the kb/m and monitor they already have

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STILLADDICT t1_j86ff6n wrote

Good call out. HD/Power/accessories/case/software/monitor.. It's already over $1k ez. Hopefully it comes with free shipping at the least.

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KsnNwk t1_j881jnr wrote

She have psu and case from old PC and accessories. Don't get it why she cannot use those and that is why my recommendstion did not have those.

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PlutoniumChemist t1_j88wz05 wrote

Oh so you don't get a brand new PS5 from the store? You have to grab a screw driver and manually take everything out of your PS4 except for the power supply, then put all of the new PS5 components into the old PS4 case??

I'm a PC gamer, I even have a full custom loop that takes a bit of work to maintain. But it's simply fact for the last several years that consoles are a better value for straight gaming. PC catches up in value if you're reusing old parts, using it to multitask with productivity/WFH, and take advantage of video game discounts/sales, opposed to ps+/Xbox live which has a monthly fee. But the immediate cost is simply higher than console

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KsnNwk t1_j892vtk wrote

Your comments makes no sense.

They can re use their case and psu and that is normal. If they are changing mobo and cpu anyway, then it's one job.

If you upgrade your GPU, cpu+mobo+ram, it's not like you have to rebuy psu and case every time.

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Arentanji t1_j87gtj4 wrote

Series X is generally considered equivalent to a 3060 Ti. So congratulations, you spent twice as much to get roughly the same performance.

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KsnNwk t1_j8827di wrote

Consoles play on medium settings (at best) to get 1440p-1800p upscaled to 4K and utilize dynamic resolution to achieve that performance.

When you consider most new games have DLSS or FSR 2.1 then 3060 achives same performance or even better than consoles at same settings.

Plus she already had psu, case and accessories. So that is only 150$ more for 3060 PC and around 300$ more for 3060Ti.

Additionaly if you look at used market you can get 60ti for 300$ or 3080 for 600$ regularly in good condition with warranty left.

The difference is easily made back up across the years with not paying for online, cheaper games, more indie titles and you can upgrade your GPU over time.

While for consoles you have to buy brand new one every time new gen is out and prices of games and subscription for consoels are ever increasing.

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Rain1dog t1_j885tud wrote

I bought a ps4 for 399.00 in 2014 and played flawlessly until 2020 when I got a ps5.

I’ve paid on average around 3.25 a month for online access plus 3 games per month with PSPlus. You can now get over 900 games with your subscription for a few dollars per month with their expanded service.

The only time you spend 70.00 is when a game launches. After a few weeks games drop usually around 15-25% and if you are a PS Plus member you usually get an additional 10% of sale prices.

I got Cyberpunk steel book edition for 5.99, Dying Light 2 for 25.00, Dead Cells with season pass for around 9.00, Tiny Tina WonderLands for 15.99, Witcher 3 Season Pass for 5.99. Games go on sale at insanely cheap prices every other week on the ps store. If you have disk version you can get launch titles days after launch for 1/2 from people selling after they beat the game. On average I’m spending 2.99 to 25.00 for games in Sony’s ecosystem.

Since the consoles are all alike dev’s can get some absolutely insane looking games running on such cheap hardware. The graphics they pulled off on a shitty Jaguar cpu unit from 2013 was mind blowing. Sony pulled off voodoo magic running VR as good as they had on the PS4 with that cpu. While a console will never match hardware that launches 3 years after its launch its dam close.

Then if I’m online I rarely come across people running hacks, aimbots, etc.

I’ve switched over to playing on my ps5 PSVR2 almost 100% online/single just how great it is and how convenient it can be.

I get not everyone likes consoles but this generation has been a massive leap. Great cpu, gpu, SSD all for 399/499, absolutely outstanding.

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KsnNwk t1_j895xp6 wrote

The opposite.

I'm a multi platform gamer, got PC 4K, PS5 and NS.

Edit: But ps4 on release we underpowered to those today's PCs. A year before release I already had 4770K, GTX770 and 750GB of SSD storage.
Which was faster in everything by margin of twice and loading times were faster by margin of 5x.

I agree though PS5 been massive leap and positive outcome. It aged way way better than any consoles before it in terms of performance and features (PSVR2, VRR, HDR (HGIG), AI adaptive resolution).

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ReviewImpossible3568 t1_j854vfi wrote

An RX 5700? Not at all. Those are RDNA2 graphics and Zen 2 (3700X, not 2700X), if I recall correctly (I looked it up once upon a time, but don’t remember the exact SKU it was similar to) it’s more like a 6700XT/6800. In raw performance, a 3060Ti would actually be pretty close.

PC is still better in my personal experience, but the consoles are unbeatable value right now and there’s no need to act like they have worse hardware than they do.

Edit: looked it up and the core count is in between 6700XT and 6800, but it’s also clocked lower so it probably performs about in the middle given the slightly lower overhead and higher optimization that you can get on a console.

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KsnNwk t1_j85572g wrote

Nah DigitalFoundary said it was around 2070 performance IIRC. 3060ti is equal to 2080 super. IDK about RX radeon but 2070 was simlar to 5700 at the time.

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ReviewImpossible3568 t1_j858roy wrote

I don’t know what DF said, but by looking at the spec sheet I can tell that the GPU in the Xbox Series X is in between the 6700XT and the 6800. Maybe real world performance is in between 3060 and 3060Ti, but it’s definitely not as low as a 2070. I’ve played on similar cards to the 5700/XT and the new consoles definitely outperform them. I’d guess it varies quite a bit based on the game, but since all I have to go on is the specs I can tell you it’s in between the 6700XT and 6800.

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Broadband- t1_j8702o3 wrote

Current consoles are equal to 3800 amd and 2080 nvidia

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Rain1dog t1_j884muc wrote

The CPU’s in consoles are closer to 3700x.

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Stock_Regular8696 t1_j87naji wrote

5800x3d would be better for cpu.

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KsnNwk t1_j881eax wrote

No way, sherlock. She said she wanted a budget PC. At the moment those are her best options.

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