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Citizen-Kang t1_j6vbek7 wrote

Reply to comment by piratensendr in Samsung's S23s don't have an answer to Apple's Emergency SOS via Satellite by needlesfox

I care. It was the only reason I was going to upgrade from my S22 Ultra. If they included the satellite SOS, it means I might be able to cancel my Garmin InReach $39.99 per month plan. The phone would pay for itself in 2 years.

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dynamojess t1_j6vdcgc wrote

A Smartphone is not going to last a long as an Inreach. That doesn't sound like a smart alternative.

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welchplug t1_j6wahtf wrote

Samsung actually has a fantastic ultra power saving mode that turns it into essentially a Nokia. battery for days.

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CluelessNuggetOfGold t1_j6wi6il wrote

It really does keep your phone alive for days. When I had an S20 I tested it out. Ultra power saving, barely touching my phone at all. Lasted 6 days

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TheQuarantinian t1_j6yr0td wrote

And they just figured out that if they use a different tape inside the battery (over simplified) they can cut battery drain dramatically

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Spin16 t1_j6yyhdc wrote

But isn't that only for powered off devices?

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TheQuarantinian t1_j6z38xg wrote

Probably not. The electrochemical reaction exists if the phone is on or off, so you will probably see some savings even when using it, it just won't be as obvious

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zolikk t1_j6wsm7c wrote

Still it looks like it could be much better. Old phones could last for 2 weeks if not more, in stand by (not turned off - they could receive calls). And they had a much smaller battery and theoretically much less efficient electronics. Seems like the new version is still doing a lot of things in the background. If you wanted to make a true low power stand-by mode for a smartphone it should be lasting weeks, not days. Of course, at least for most phones, you still have the option to just turn it off.

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crimsonnocturne t1_j6x7wur wrote

Because old phones were glorified calculators with one or two radios in them, not 8 core computers with 7 inch 4k screens and 20 different sensors and GPS and multiple high powered internet radios in them.

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zolikk t1_j6x9jii wrote

You didn't understand what I said.

What I said is that you could have a power saver state in a modern phone that disables all those sensors, put the processor in a low power state (which is much, much better than those in any old processors), you aren't using your screen because the phone is just standing by not doing anything, and in such a state it should last much longer than an old phone because it would have lower power consumption and a larger battery.

Obviously it's not going to last long if you're using all those features, but it should be able to last long if you aren't. The reason why it doesn't is because even the ultra power saver setting on the phone still leaves things working in the background. Why not have a hyper-super-ultra power saver setting as well that disables them too?

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bnonymousbeeeee t1_j6zfvv7 wrote

My Galaxy S5 Active, in Ultra Power Save mode would last 12 days according to it's in phone estimate. I was never able to push it in that mode the whole way through, but 2 days sipped about 10 percent of my battery when I tried, so I fully believe it was possible on that device. It downclocked the processor, turned basically everything off, like you said, and even lowered the display resolution and color to greyscale. I don't think I've seen a later phone than that with such a huge Ultra Power Saver.

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Oddity_Odyssey t1_j6wuubn wrote

My iphone does that without changing a setting. You just charge it and if you barely touch it it will last several days.

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DepartmentOk1054 t1_j6x7hwm wrote

Not sure why the downvotes, but you are correct. I had the iPhone 13 Pro Max, that thing lasted days before I had to recharge. On my S22U Ultra. I have to recharge it everyday.

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Oddity_Odyssey t1_j6x9p5n wrote

My regular 12 will still get me two days and it's on 90% battery health. And like I hate iphones. I only got this one when Google fucked up the pixels. But I mean you can't deny the power of iOS

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DrZoidberg- t1_j6xhkpf wrote

It's mostly because of notifications. I honestly think Google's code for handling notifications is not efficient.

Just turn off all the notifications and turn on battery saver mode to medium (CPU runs at 70%).

My phone still lasts 3 days of on/off usage. It's a year old.

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CptHammer_ t1_j6zwhvs wrote

Also manual sync for calendar and email. I don't have a Samsung but my old LG used to have a sync when charging option that I wish I had that on my Motorola.

Otherwise it would sync if I opened the app.

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seanrm92 t1_j6wsvxu wrote

Not even ultra power saving, but just the regular power saving mode is great too. I keep my S22 Ultra on that literally all the time, and it often lasts more than a full day of regular use, longer than my old phone. The baseline performance is so great that you never notice that it's been throttled.

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ticcedtac t1_j6y496w wrote

Do they still? I think that was replaced by Emergency Mode and my S22 Plus lost it when I updated to oneui 5 and there doesn't seem to be anything equivalent anymore :(

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FrostyMittenJob t1_j6yuv3r wrote

Right but only helps you if you were at 100% and turned it on before you started out on whatever you are doing that would warrant an emergency satellite phone. In reality, you drove out to where ever, used the phone for directions, and now the phone is down to about 60% by the time you start. Being out in the hot/cold kills your battery while it constantly tries to find service. And before you know it your battery is at 10%. A garmin inreach in its most battery-heavy mode and conditions will last for 2 full days. If you are going for full battery saver mode it can be ready to use for a full year.

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welchplug t1_j704b21 wrote

My phone is currently at 70 percent and battery is in good health. Estimated time was 2 and half days......ND have the s10. The batteries have gotten bigger on newer gens

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FrostyMittenJob t1_j704kyx wrote

So you just got back from a 8 hour hike without cell coverage and used your phone to navigate to and from home and are still at 70%?

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welchplug t1_j70543i wrote

Well usually when I am on hike I don't touch my phone. Why the hell would be on my phone? In addition my phone is always on normal power saver mode. After a work (about 12 hours) my phone is usually around 60 percent and that's with listening to music all day.

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FrostyMittenJob t1_j707q23 wrote

Right and that's great in a climate controlled environment with wifi or strong cell signal. It's an entirely different beast when you are out, it's over 85, and your phone is constantly trying to find a signal. It ultimately doesn't matter if you are using your phone or not. If it's on the battery is being nuked. This isn't just some random opinion, this is how battery powered electronics simply work in the extreme heat and cold

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welchplug t1_j70e9tx wrote

I go snowboarding on mountain tops all the time. I keep my phone in my pocket. Its not sitting in the snow lol. Yiu are just trying to justify your purchase lol.

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FrostyMittenJob t1_j70l6ze wrote

I don't own an inreach. Obviously your phone isn't sitting in the snow but the air, crazy as it may seem, is cold too.

Here are a few articles to help you out

https://www.thoughtco.com/the-freezing-point-of-water-609418

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/types-of-weather/snow/how-does-snow-form

https://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/national/article249280735.html

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welchplug t1_j70v8qc wrote

I have practical first hand experience in sub zero temperatures on a mountain. My pocket is good enough lol. Unless I bury the the thing I'm good lol.

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Zev0s t1_j70bdjd wrote

I realize is this r/gadgets, but there is actually the option of just turning off your fucking phone when you don't need it

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FrostyMittenJob t1_j70ctg2 wrote

If you are buying your cellphone because it has a feature that you are going to rely on in a life or death situation you don't want the usability of that contingent on whether or not you remember to turn off your phone

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welchplug t1_j70vcf0 wrote

Btw I don't work in climate controlled environment. I own a bakery. It's regularly 90+

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FrostyMittenJob t1_j71oee5 wrote

Then congratulations you've managed to beat the laws of thermodynamics! Sell your secret and make billions

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welchplug t1_j72d69s wrote

It's amazing how phones still operate in southeren California or or Arizona ammirite?

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FrostyMittenJob t1_j72e6jm wrote

Of course they still work, but being exposed to high heat leads to faster degradation and quickly drain your battery. This isn't my opinion this is a well documented phenomenon.

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welchplug t1_j72hnj8 wrote

Yeah marginally and not enough to be really noticeable. Again 12 hr days of being in the bakery with 60 to 70 percent charge at the end. The battery doesnt instant drain just because its a little hot. Anyways good day!

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needlesfox OP t1_j6vdljv wrote

Depends on what you're using it for.

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geniuscube t1_j6wo106 wrote

Yup, I have a road I drive frequently with a dangerous 20 minute stretch that has absolutely no cell signal on account of the terrain. Having SOS via satellite on my phone is huge for that stretch.

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HerefortheTuna t1_j75eda0 wrote

Yes but you are already paying for a smartphone and an extra $40 a month is a lot

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dynamojess t1_j75hazb wrote

$40/month vs your life during a backpacking/deep wilderness emergency

I'm not sure what else people seriously use an Inreach for.

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HerefortheTuna t1_j75hg3c wrote

I’ve thought about for over landing since my car is a 1990 that barely starts some days in the city… but I can’t justify the cost. If they bring back the mini for the iPhone 15 and it has satellite I may upgrade from my 13

Edit: I use my phone all day everyday and go off-roading maybe a dozen times a year

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Gaeus_ t1_j744fcb wrote

While that's true, I definitely pack an external battery when doing any sort of travelling, it probably isn't as good as an Inreach, but it does tip the scales toward Apple/Samsung.

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MorRobots t1_j6wmk8k wrote

If you have need of such specific safety equipment, do not rely on a general consumer device, particularly one as fragile as an iPhone.

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NomadicJellyfish t1_j6yoems wrote

Millions of people in the US hike and camp in areas without cell service every year. Saying they should all pay hundreds of dollars a year for an inreach is ridiculous. They take cellphones with them anyway and somehow manage to not break them.

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FrostyMittenJob t1_j6yv96t wrote

No one is saying that everyone who hikes needs an inreach. But if someone has already decided that what they are doing requires them to have an inreach and they now own that inreach they shouldn't use an iPhone as a substitute.

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chickenlittle53 t1_j72m8as wrote

First of all, it isn't even hundreds of dollars a year dude. Learn to look stuff up before commenting. Second, Apple will charge for the service and it will end up costing you a shit ton more to buy a close to $1000 phone in many scenarios on top of eventually having to pay around the exact same amount for Apple's subscription service.

You seem to think apple is forever free for this? My lord, be careful criticizing apple folks. Fanboys in full swing right now. Hate to break it to folks, but apple did nothing new technologically. People have been doing thus stuff for years. It's not even worth buying a new phone for tons of folks. Tons more won't even likely use at all. Them are the actual brakes. Calm the fanboyism down a notch It's okay.

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TheQuarantinian t1_j6ysk4f wrote

>Millions of people in the US hike and camp in areas without cell service every year.

Many of whom shouldn't.

When things like the SPOT came out a bunch of people who had no business being in the back country went to the back country with the attitude of "and if I get into trouble I can press this 911 button". Then started pressing the button to order hot chocolate, because their trail guide was snoring, or because they started a six hour hike at 3pm in shorts and without water and then realized that they were smrt enough to have the insta 911 button.

> Saying they should all pay hundreds of dollars a year for an inreach is ridiculous.

PLBs require no subscription.

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PHin1525 t1_j6wt3c6 wrote

What I was thinking. Really how often in an urban area will you need satellite sos service.

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Shygar t1_j6z2do6 wrote

Same, I'd love the option to use my phone directly instead of Garmin

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chickenlittle53 t1_j72ksxe wrote

The majority of the population probably won't care at all. That said, apparently they have an app already you can use your phone for anyhow.

I just don't think most of the population cares enough to use satellite (that you have to pay extra for either typically anyhow) with how infrequent they would likely need to use it overall. I personally wouldn't play for a whole new phone for it and I actually hike and shit. I just don't do wild shit aline amdet folks know ahead of time.

Edit: Plus, if I have to pay anyway, Garmin is likely much better of a piece of equipment to use anyhow than iPhone. I'll end up with much better service with a better device meant for it.

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Shygar t1_j72l37t wrote

Yes there's an app to use it, but still it's a pain to have to carry multiple devices.

It would be good for people on road trips

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chickenlittle53 t1_j72pcm6 wrote

Not really. If your goal is saving your life wearing a watch on your wrist weighing next to nothing isn't a big deal. In fact, tons of devices weigh next to nothing and can easily just be in a bag. If the purpose is to actually save your life using better equipment trumps whatever you think isn't "worth it" if you value your life above all. Also saves folks a shit ton of money in the process.

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Citizen-Kang t1_j7engli wrote

There probably will, but it might be free for a couple years to compete with Apple. I can't imagine the service will cost more than InReach, though. If it is, there is no real incentive to switch over for those of us already using that service.

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