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GESNodoon t1_ixrwhy9 wrote

Reply to comment by MentallyMusing in ELI5: Do heist-themed movies&games face any legal difficulties for the fear that they might encourage potential robbers with their smart robbery plans? by [deleted]

There was not a cheat code to conduct a rape scene. Modders were able to unlock it because it was an unused mingame that was still in the code. It was not a cheat code though. It is also not a rape scene, just a sex scene.

The random stuff you are talking about here is not what it seems like the op is talking about. For years certain politicians and religious leaders have tried to blame music or video games for all kinds of crimes. Usually it is not "this specific crime was caused by this specific game". It is "kids are bad because of games and movies in general".

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MentallyMusing t1_ixrx26w wrote

It's exactly what the News programs were about. Maybe you didn't see them or maybe you weren't old enough when they were aired but it was a HUGE concern and there were organizations and committees that fought tooth and nails to get video games like these .. and this one SPECIFICALLY (GTA) banned from the market and being made Exclusively because of the influence. Random shooting and hang violence with the age group being exposed to those games was a Hot Topic and under debate for atleast 2 years steadily. It was before the concerns about the other styles of video games were spoken of as a concern creating a lack of empathy for those of age going into the military and being required to conduct Drone warfare that mimics the games that generation grew up as normal average video games on the market to choose from.

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GESNodoon t1_ixrxsit wrote

Yes, I was old enough and saw the news programs that you are probably talking about. The fact that you have much of the information wrong though is concerning. If the only place you got your information from was these news sources, well you were part of the propaganda. Like I said, the GTA Hot Coffee fiasco was not a rape scene and it was not a cheat code. The fact that certain politicians went nuts over GTA is no different than the ones that went nuts over the "satanic" backwards messages on heavy metal records or the ones that went nuts over Dungeons and Dragons causing kids to worship satan. None of it is true, none of it has any scientific backing. It is just old people who do not understand or like what they are seeing getting upset with youth.

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MentallyMusing t1_ixrzjlq wrote

Did I use the term "Cheat Code" wrong for THIS generation definition thereby Nullifying all other information I offered? Your welcome to that type of opinion and it can stand as it is. u/GESNodoon nothing I said was a lie or even slightly skewed from the reality of what was going on and how similar the concern was to the OP's question about it.

As you noted.... The games children play are looked at regarding the influence they inspire. It is what it is.... Plenty of people think it's hogwash and get very vocal about it. That's the debate

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GESNodoon t1_ixs14g4 wrote

You used cheat code. That was wrong. A modder unlocking files is not anything like a cheat code in any generation. You used rape scene. That was wrong. It is a sex minigame between 2 consenting adults. So the 2 things you used to point to the Hot Coffee incident were wrong. If you are going to talk about something get the facts right. Thank you for allowing me my opinion. That is very noble of you lol.

Furthermore, GTA was not banned from all markets. In the USA it was relabeled as "adults Only" (from the original "Mature"). Rockstar did get in some trouble for it and it caused a stir in the videogame industry but again, it was old people getting worked up over things they did not understand or like. It also has nothing to do with the original question unless you can point to a prosecution or a defense that used GTA and Hot Coffee as a reason a crime was committed.

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MentallyMusing t1_ixs4i8e wrote

You should reread the thread. Your positioning of assertions leaves you in an unbalanced posture.... The claims you've made knock eachother off the seesaw

Maybe your conversation with another user is getting you mixed up with the one you're having with me. It happens and from my experience, going back to a conversation through the notifications is Super Glitchy

You'd have to research the things brought before Congress for the legal battle that was waged

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GESNodoon t1_ixs4x06 wrote

It is possible you comprehend what I am writing as well as you comprehend what you are typing. I have not "seesawed" at all. I have called you out for 3 things. 1. Cheat code. 2. Rape scene. 3. Posting something that is not relevant to the original question. I have not wavered from these at all.

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MentallyMusing t1_ixs4zly wrote

You have not read my responses. My experience is with Massachusetts news as well. Maybe the News where you were local to at the time was different

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GESNodoon t1_ixs5yny wrote

It does not matter. Your experience with what the news said instead of actually finding anything out for yourself just makes you part of the propaganda. It was not a rape scene. It was not a cheat code. It was never accused of leading to a specific crime. Since that was what the original question was about, your response does not have anything to do with the question.

I was playing games at the time. I knew about and saw the Hot Coffee mod. The news, parent groups and politicians getting facts wrong does not change anything.

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MentallyMusing t1_ixs64qe wrote

Your experience with the news you DIDN'T see, however places you on an expert platform unavailable to others. You just jocked yourself hard on the seesaw you built.

My ex-husband was addicted to the game.... Observational perspective counts too since I was stuck watching and listening to it in a consistent basis with the one TV we owned

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GESNodoon t1_ixs6lqa wrote

No. My experience with the facts does though. Unless you can point to any court case that claims the Hot Coffee mod was responsible for a crime, either in defense or prosecution, then your post has nothing to do with the original question. The news getting the facts wrong does not change anything. You are talking about news programs from years ago as if you do not have the ability to get the actual facts. Saying that people were outraged by the Hot Coffee mod is absolutely true. People get outraged by any number of random things that they either do not understand or do not like. No one connected it to any specific crime though.

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MentallyMusing t1_ixs6rw0 wrote

Your making arguments that cancel your own position out. You're allowed but it seems foolhardy

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GESNodoon t1_ixs7fgt wrote

So did your husband become a prostitute murdering gang member who was then prosecuted and used GTA as his defense? Then you might have something.

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MentallyMusing t1_ixs7nyd wrote

Hey, how often does continuously insulting someone keep you in the kind of companionship you enjoy online and does that transfer equally as your offline personality or do you play meek, coy and easily frazzled in person

You obviously have zero perception of how you've insulted yourself

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GESNodoon t1_ixs7uvp wrote

I have not once insulted you. I am not even sure why you think I have.

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MentallyMusing t1_ixs7yr6 wrote

I'm not, it was an ongoing attempt on your part though your too big to admit it

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GESNodoon t1_ixs8588 wrote

*you're*

If I was going to insult you, I would. Pointing out that you are wrong and that you seem to lack comprehension is not insulting you. It is pointing out facts.

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MentallyMusing t1_ixs8d2d wrote

You should really get your team to turn in the old playbook and get a new strategist . Your behavior has become a "Don't" conversationally and they're letting you get laughed at now

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MentallyMusing t1_ixs8mub wrote

It'd be interesting to see the total number of items that were under discussion in this string of comments and have someone list out what was and was not addressed to see how right either one of us was regarding the things we wrote and who brought up what for dissection of value

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GESNodoon t1_ixs93e2 wrote

Really, who cares. Go back and do it if you really want to. Have someone else do it. Hire someone to do it. In the end, you are wrong about the facts and your original response did not have anything to do with the original question. That is all I really care about.

I will wait with great anticipation for someone to come along and tell me I see-sawed lol. It will crush me.

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MentallyMusing t1_ixs98qa wrote

So you weren't finished.....

You can have the last word with the next one I promise. I don't want to break your diving board before you jump

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