Submitted by 4westofthemoon4 t3_127meed in explainlikeimfive

For instance, Volkswagen announced a special dividend payment of €19 in December per share. The share price dropped the next day by €19 as well. So as an investor, I didn’t gain anything (at least in the short term)? I received the dividend but my equity share is worth less that amount.

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Phage0070 t1_jeeqr5n wrote

You don't get anything extra, yes. Only about 50% of stocks pay dividends, which means investors can see the profits of their investments go into increases in the stock price or get paid out directly in the form of dividends. A stock represents a share of ownership of the company which includes the bank account from which dividends are paid, so paying dividends reduces the value of the company. In essence it is just converting something a stockholder already owns into cash in their hand.

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WhoIsJohnSnow t1_jeerytz wrote

Simplifying, the value of a company is the cash it has on had plus the present value of all the future cash it is going to earn. When the company pays out a dividend that money has to come from somewhere, and it comes from the company's checking account. The company is simply worth less after the dividend. You are worth more. There is nothing about dividends that magically creates value, they just transfer cash from company to stockholder.

So why do they pay it? Because some investors prefer to receive dividends rather than sell a few shares anytime they need cash. Not all companies choose to pay dividends, for various reasons including the tax treatment, but they are very popular especially among older folks with lots of stocks in their retirement accounts.

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puahaha t1_jef32ut wrote

This is also why younger investors shouldn't chase dividend-paying stocks/funds thinking that it's just "free" money. It is not. You are simply being forced to convert equity to cash and also forced to pay taxes on it unless held in a retirement account. For older investors who actually need the cash and presumably in a lower tax bracket, it makes much more sense.

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SurprisedPotato t1_jeez2ao wrote

You've noticed that the share price drops by the dividend amount on the ex dividend date. Naturally, because a share that's going to guarantee you $5 if you own it tomorrow is less valuable than one where you have to wait for a year to get the $5.

What you don't see is the gentle pressure pushing the share price up as the year goes by, and next year's dividend date gets closer and closer. A share that guarantees you $5 in a six month's time is worth more than a share that guarantees you $5 in a year's time. When the ex dividend date is only 3 months away it's worth even more.

You won't notice that and can't notice that effect for ordinary shares, because there are so many other factors that affect the share price much more strongly. But you will see this exact effect if you look at the price of exchange-traded fixed income instruments: these are tradable on the exchange but give you literally a fixed amount of cash regularly. The price drops on the ex date, then slowly climbs until the next ex date. You earn the same amount per day no matter how many ex dates you cross.

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PixieBaronicsi t1_jeew1sx wrote

If a company is making a steady profit, but otherwise everything is remaining the same then one of two things should happen:

  1. The company keeps its profits in the company, meaning that the company gets more valuable over time since as well as the profitable business it now has cash in the bank
  2. The share price increases slightly each year and then falls when it pays the dividend, repeating a constant cycle each year

The shareholders see the same return either way, either in cash or an increased stock price

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telionn t1_jefil2t wrote

It's important to note that in case 1, the value of the shares only goes up because of the theoretical possibility of dividends (and stock buybacks, and any other similar schemes). If companies had no way of returning cash to investors, stock would have no value.

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bulksalty t1_jef2hi7 wrote

Let's say that a worker gets paid weekly. On payday they cash their check and put some of the money into envelopes for their budget.

The act of paying the dividend is like putting the money into the envelopes to spend, that's not a process that adds value so we'd expect the price to offset the change. Over the next period of time though we normally expect the company to earn money and that's when we'd traditionally expect the price to rise. Just like the worker earns his pay until the next pay period.

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Unlikely-Rock-9647 t1_jefefdy wrote

I had this question when I went through my finance class. The way the prof explained it to me is that typically company’s that pay dividends do so in a recurring fashion, so the stock price has it figured in - I.e if the company pays a $1 per share dividend every quarter, they effectively are announcing another $1 dividend immediately after they pay the current one, so the stock never drops.

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r2k-in-the-vortex t1_jefkifq wrote

Well of course, if this weren't so then you would only ever buy stock immediately before ex-dividend date and sell immediately after. Alas, payout just moves value around, it doesn't create anything extra.

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