Tato7069 t1_j9yn4hc wrote
Reply to comment by squeevey in ELI5 What is the "Shift ban" in Major League Baseball and why are people upset about it? by lokigodofchaos
To expand, "the shift" isn't something that's been in baseball as it is today for a hundred years, and they're suddenly banning it. It is based on analytics which have only been used for 15 years or so to way over shift, leaving huge parts of the field wide open, making the batter either try to hit where they're uncomfortable hitting naturally, which they rarely do, or hit it at the side of the field jammed up with fielders... Which doesn't work out too well unless it's a home run.
DJKGinHD t1_j9z0s8h wrote
I don't watch baseball. I just learned about both the ban and the reaction to the ban from this post. That being said, couldn't the batters get the same analytical data and use it during practice to build the skill of hitting that gap they naturally avoid? It would make the shifting a disadvantage. If you go up to bat and see the team shift to right field because that's where you tend to hit, you use the skill you developed during practice to hit to left field.
Tato7069 t1_j9z22fm wrote
That's what everybody said at the beginning, but no. They got to be the best at what they do because of how they do it, and sometimes that doesn't mean you can just do it differently. Sometimes people would lay a bunt down in the direction with no fielder, but you'll often be happy to see the guy who can hit it 400 feet take a bunt single against you.
DJKGinHD t1_j9z34x7 wrote
Good point. Thank you!
nstickels t1_ja05rwf wrote
So a couple of things, it usually isn’t the outfield where they shift (well they do, but it isn’t as dramatic) and not where the ban is. The ban is for the infield. For a right handed hitter, the 2nd baseman will shift over and play on the 3rd base side of second, and the SS and 3rd baseman move over a little as well, basically saying “we know if you hit a ground ball, you will hit it to the left side of the infield and there’s no way it’s going to get through us if you do now.” For a left handed batter it’s in reverse and they all shift to the right side of the infield for the same reason.
Asking “why don’t they just hit it the other way” is sort of like saying “why can’t a pitcher who hurt his elbow on his throwing arm just pitch with his other hand then?”
First it’s not every batter they would do this for. It is only about 40% of batters, those that overwhelmingly pull the ball. These batters have hit like this their entire lives. Their entire approach at the plate with timing, movement, rhythm, muscle memory, etc is predicated on hitting that way. And remember that these are basically the best people in the world at hitting a ball with a stick. Could they learn a different swing? Maybe, but they made the major league because of their current swing.
Also, keep in mind that when the defense employs the shift, pitchers pitch a certain way as well. Batters tend to pull pitches on the inner half of the plate and push pitches on the outer half. And a batter will tend to pull off speed pitches more and push very fast fastballs (like pitches that can hit the upper 90s and triple digits). Finally higher pitches are easier to hit in the air, and lower pitches, especially those with late breaking movement tend to be hit on the ground. So a pitcher will throw primarily on the lower inner third, and will take a little off their fastball and throw off speed to get the batter to pull the ball, and will try to throw with downward or inward movement to force grounders and pop ups.
Changing their swing to try to hit the opposite way could have a drastic impact on their hitting ability in general, and ruin their ability to return to their old swing when the defense isn’t in the shift. Plus for most of those hitters, the goal isn’t to hit a ground ball anyway. The goal is to hit a home run in every at bat. The shift doesn’t matter when the batter crushes the ball. Changing their swing means they aren’t crushing the ball anymore. So most of the adjustment they are doing is swing lower since they will be expecting pitchers on the lower inner quadrant and are trying to avoid hitting a grounder.
MrDozens t1_ja2267j wrote
Sure. But way easier said than done.
chicagotim1 t1_ja0fjuu wrote
That would be the argument against the shift ban in a nutshell yes.
uummwhat t1_ja1y35t wrote
Yes, though do keep in mind hitting is really hard, and a lot of the "x guy hits the ball to y location" isn't always so much something he chooses to do so much as what he can do.
pgrocard t1_ja2o71v wrote
https://www.mlb.com/news/ted-williams-faced-defensive-shifts-in-1940s-c191605204
>This wasn't actually the first recorded instance of the shift. In the 1920s, some managers moved their defenses around to the right side against another dead pull left-handed batter, the Phillies' Cy Williams, according to a Society For American Baseball Research (SABR) profile. This Williams, who batted .320 from 1920-26, reportedly admitted, "I couldn't hit a ball to left if my life depended on it."
It wasn't used anywhere near as frequently back then, but the shift actually has been around for just about a hundred years.
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