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mywan t1_j0irp9r wrote

Reply to comment by Sininenn in Child abuse in the U.S. - victims by perpetrator relationship 2020 by Not_that_wire

> You suggested it though.

No, I did not. I did not even suggest that woman aren't the majority of abusers, and it can't be determine whether that is true or not based on the data provided. The only thing that I said wasn't a suggestion, it was a fact. That fact being that the raw numbers provided can't answer that question. The exception being that we can know, from the OP link, that foster parents tend to be abusers more often than day care providers because the raw numbers are nearly identical while far more kids are exposed to day car.

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Sininenn t1_j0j0til wrote

Yes, you very much did suggest so:

"These numbers are raw totals. There are far more mothers with full custody than fathers. So by raw totals mothers would outnumber fathers even if the mothers and fathers were equally likely to be abusers."

This is a direct quote from your original comment.

It would only be a logical conclusion, if the number of single mother households was almost half of all family units, as would be proportional to the abuse numbers.

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Mithious t1_j0j2di8 wrote

When NASA wanted to put a man on the moon, they should have called you up with how far you're reaching here.

He's just saying to make proper sense of these numbers and the relative risk individuals pose you also need to consider how often they have access to the kids, nothing more.

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Sininenn t1_j0j39hi wrote

Thank you, captain obvious.

And I am saying that OP's explanation is only valid, if the number of single mothers whose children only have contact with the mother, would be almost as big as the number of dual family homes.

That's not reaching, it's following logical conclusions.

It's as if people assume that the 'mothers' category does not include mothers in a dual parent home where the mother is the only abuser...

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Mithious t1_j0j42yk wrote

The only person bringing up dual family homes is you, it's well known that a two parent home is statistically a far more stable environment for a kid. Plus it's harder for one parent in a two parent home to get away with abuse without the other finding out.

We're talking about single mother and single father homes, because those are more directly comparable. There are a lot of single mother homes, and relatively few single father homes. The stats above therefore make it difficult to make any assumptions about who is more likely to abuse kids.

Clear?

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Sininenn t1_j0j5cs9 wrote

Yes, I am bringing up dual parent homes, because they are the majority of all family units.

Single mother homes are still a minority of family units.

Uh, no. There are plenty of homes in which there is one primary abuser. And often it is the mother.

Have you even read the link?

It does not mention anything whatsoever about what type of family unit the abuse takes place in. In fact, one of the categories is "both parents".

So the data actually includes all types of families, and abuse by either, or even both of the parents. Is that clear to you?

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djb1983CanBoy t1_j0j7utk wrote

Yup she was trying to make excuses to explain why the majority of abusers are women. Its very close to being r/everydaymisandry.

“Well its mens fault women are the majority of abusers because men force women to stay home they also skip out on their families” - thats my paraphrase.

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Valkia_Perkunos t1_j0l9gzz wrote

People just don't want accept numbers. They are so used that man are evil and violent that they create excuses to excuse women.

The only way this graphic could be good (for both sides) is to have , like in each one women as a single mother and women as family. The same with men. Only way to be accurate.

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