Submitted by Not_that_wire t3_znno50 in dataisbeautiful
[deleted] t1_j0ibi2z wrote
Reply to comment by Sininenn in Child abuse in the U.S. - victims by perpetrator relationship 2020 by Not_that_wire
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DukeBeekeepersKid t1_j0ipmvr wrote
You should pay the fee and read the study. Your logic to blame the father is stretched beyond it's snapping point, to the point of being sexist and discriminatory.
Wizard_Tendies t1_j0iy1df wrote
May I respectfully ask that you copy+paste what you’re referencing?
I think it would be helpful to the discussion to have more info but everything I googled can otherwise be found for free and by clicking the links in the posted article.
Sininenn t1_j0ibp02 wrote
That does not make abuse permissible.
Oh and just an fyi, I had both parents in my life, the worst physical abuse was by my mother.
Wizard_Tendies t1_j0ixqhl wrote
They didn’t excuse abuse, they provided potential insight on why there is disproportionate abuse from mothers reported.
Which might make sense when accounting for single parent households. If women, more than not, gain primary custody of children then we should expect higher rates of mothers that abuse their children. Again, it doesn’t excuse abuse. I don’t know where people got this idea.
mytunacan t1_j0iy22a wrote
Strange how people get all defensive just because someone attempts to interpret the data.
Wizard_Tendies t1_j0iyxmr wrote
My hypothesis; this is an article with information that might be used against women. Please allow me to specify; the issue here isn’t just child abuse, but who commits it. Without knowing who or why, it’ll be hard to remedy. However, anyone disingenuous will take this and say “look, another example of fathers and men being disenfranchised!” and that is absolutely not the case.
Anyone to try to understand further or disagree with the disingenuous will be called “abuse excusers” because it helps create the inner dichotomy of “us and them.” Aka basic primate brain shit doing basic primate brain shit.
Sininenn t1_j0j04hv wrote
I will repeat myself. If that was the case, single mother households would have to outnumber dual parent homes, which is not the case.
It's funny you mention "primate brain shit". Look up "Women are wonderful effect". That is some "primate brain shit", which is exactly what people trying to explain higher abuse by women through simple numerical majority are doing.
As if women could not be shitty, abusive and violent human beings, even more than people think men are... But that would shatter their preconceptions about the big bad violent man and the soft beautiful innocent powerless woman.
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[deleted] t1_j0irqev wrote
It’s funny. I read the data and showed my girlfriend. Then mentioned something about how the mother base would mention the single mother variance to excuse the mother to father variance. Then I saw that very excuse in the comments.
Wizard_Tendies t1_j0ixujb wrote
It’s not an excuse for abuse. It’s a potential reason there is disproportionate data.
Why do you think understanding disproportionate data equates to excusing violence against children?
Sininenn t1_j0j0zmr wrote
It's only a "potential reason" if almost half of all family units were single mothers.
Wizard_Tendies t1_j0j200f wrote
Sininenn t1_j0j4j6f wrote
From your first link:
"Living With Both Parents: 50,609,000 Living With Mother Only: 15,607,000"
It may be the case that 80% of single family units are mothers. But it is NOT the case that single parent households are the majority. And it is definitely not the case for single mothers.
Why is is so hard to understand?
IF higher numbers of abuse perpetrated by mothers could be explained by women's primary custody, the number of single mother households would have to be proportional to the difference between abuse perpetrated by women vs men.
Wizard_Tendies t1_j0j50h5 wrote
The statement wasn’t that single mother households outnumber both parent households. It was that the disproportionate number of mothers might be also due to more single mother households.
All cases of child abuse do not happen in co-parenting households. They mostly occur there, but why is there a difference between single parent households? Specifically, why do more single mothers abuse kids? Those are the questions, damn.
Sininenn t1_j0j5v8h wrote
And my statement is that the disparity could be explained by single mother households only if single mother households comprised a large enough portion of all family units, one large enough to be able to cover disparity.
It's as if people were unwilling to accept that women can be even more violent than they think men are.
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