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oren0 t1_iynv4zu wrote

> Jeanne Dielman, 23 quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles

A 200-minute low-budget feminist art film from 1975 that was 35th in the same poll in 2012. Only has 9K ratings on IMDB (7.7 score) compared to 400K ratings each and scores of 8.3 for Vertigo and Citizen Kane.

I'm not doubting it's probably a good movie, but it feels like critics are trying to make some kind of point.

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Cihots9292 t1_iyra4ee wrote

A lot has to do with it being rewatched and rediscovered like someone else here said. I think it was restored since 2012 and it is now a lot easier to watch online than it was 10 years ago. Another factor that I think contributed greatly is the fact that people wanted to have diverse ballots (I don’t necessarily mean diverse as in from different countries, gender, and race, but more like I think most people wouldn’t like to have six Hitchcock films for example, even if they love them, because they would be using over half of their votes in basically the same thing when they can spread it among the various things they think are important to represent in a greatest films list, to some it would be putting a film from each of the greatest directors, the best film from each genre, their favorite film from their country, and to some represent women filmmakers who are still incredibly underrepresented when we discuss film history as a whole).

Besides, if you remove the feminist themes (which I don’t know why you would since it’s an integral part of the film, but still). It is still an incredible achievement and an amazing movie that is worthy of being considered number one.

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Janna_Montana t1_iypwhzw wrote

Maybe but kinda hard to imagine a coordinated effort among hundreds of critics and directors in an anonymous poll to like... 'make a point'... sounds conspiratorial lol. Imo-- think there are simpler explanations. Like critics (and directors who separately ranked it #4) actually just going back to watch it/ revisit it and appreciating it more than before.

In 2012 only 2 movies directed by women were even considered vs 11 in 2022. You can argue thats because only 2 deserved to be there, but I would guesssss (with absolutely no evidence for this claim) most film people these days would agree that those older polls seriously under-rated and under-watched some pretty major women filmmakers -- let alone the lesser known ones. I'm no expert but even I know Varda, Campion, and Sofia Coppolla are top tier.

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oren0 t1_iyo66n4 wrote

> I hope it's not too bold of an opinion to say that Citizen Kane isn't an insurmountable pinnacle of movies.

Maybe not, but it's at least a movie a huge number of people have seen and liked, and has been consistently highly rated forever. Versus an obscure one that few have seen and was not highly regarded for decades after its release.

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